Cant beat micros - dont know how to find leaks.

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Started online poker about two weeks ago and ive just been consistently losing money since. Just been playing micro stakes, and i cant really manage to even beat the 2NL...
I've dabbled in various different styles, like full ring, 6 max, STT, MTT, HU etc. After looking on this site, i realise i need to stick to one mode, just haven't decided which yet, most likely 6/9 cash games due to time constraints.
I cant afford to buy hand analysis software, like PT or HEM, and i personally prefer not to use a HUD. But i cant figure out what my leaks are.
Any suggestions or helpful tips?

Not sure what all these stats mean but...
My stats are(from HEM free):
played ~4k hands
VP$IP: 26.2
PFR: 20.0
3Bet: 11.7
Postflop Agg%: 40.3
W$WSF%: 51.3
WTSD%: 30.5
WON $ at SD: 37.6
Flop CBet%: 50.7
Turn CBet%: 69.2
River CBet%: 50.0
Fold to flop Cbet: 43.3
'' Turn '': 30.0
'' River '': 0.0
Raise Flop CBet: 13.4
'' Turn '': 30.0
'' River '': 0.0
Squeeze: 10.9
Raise Two Raisers: 0.0
Call Two Raisers: 15.2
Fold vs 3Bet: 9.8
Call vs 3Bet: 82.9
Raise vs 3Bet: 7.3


Thanks for any help or tips :)
 
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Don't think it is about finding leaks from people in the micro's
First of all it is important to recognice players in the micro's. What type of player is each player at your table? A fish? A calling station? A reg? A very tight or very agro player? Once you recognice them you change your play based on your table and against each player in a hand.

You can also try and find out why you aren't beating the micro's. What is causing you not beating them? How do you bust and why? Are you playing a to wide range of hands? Are you playing to tight? Are you calling to much?
Analyse the hands which make you lose money and try to find the problem. If you find out the problem you can solve it :)

Hope it helps,

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If you have your stats then that also means you have your old hand histories. Go back and analyse your biggest losing hands and work out what you could do differently next time. You might find a common trend in your biggest losses (e.g. most of them are playing AJ out of position, or most of them are calling too many raises with marginal hands, etc., etc.).

If you honestly can't work out anything you can change then just post your hand histories in the Hand Analysis section of the forum. Other players will respond and give you tips on things you could do differently:

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-game-hand-analysis-50/
 
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The problem i have with analyzing hands is im not sure what i need to do, like how do i actually analyze a hand?

I also struggle to get a read on people when playing online, so can't always tell if someones playing loose or if theyve been dealt a monster

Thanks though :)
 
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The problem i have with analyzing hands is im not sure what i need to do, like how do i actually analyze a hand?

I also struggle to get a read on people when playing online, so can't always tell if someones playing loose or if theyve been dealt a monster

Thanks though :)

Playing micros is very ABC poker. From my experience, one reason many people (including me :() seem to lose at micros is because they try to complicate too much. To beat micros all you need to do is be patient enough to way for a good or very good hand, and get all your money in it, and at the same time disciplined enough to know when that good hand is now behind. And also, don't make the same mistake some of us make (including me, again) of playing scared to lose your money, or playing to win it. At micros, you aren't there to win money. You are there to learn and to get a general idea about poker concepts and opponent reading.

To know whether or not you are behind, you need to analyze players. At micros, you don't need to go very deep, you just need to have a general idea. You say you have troubles with that, but it's fairly easy. See how the players in your table are acting every hand. Focus on one at a time and see how he does. When you have a clear idea of how this player plays, move on to the next one. Eventually you'll have enough experience to do this much faster. So, how do you read one player?

If he calls pre-flop a lot of times, he is loose, possibly loose-passive. He plays a lot of hands, and you can confidently put him on a range including suited connectors (ex. 78s), conectors (ex. 78o), suited medium-high cards (ex. 57s), pocket pairs and everything that has an Ace or figure. Depending on how much he folds exactly and the showdowns you see from him, you can add and cut down hands from this range. You can also say he doesn't have any amazing hands since he didn't raise.
If a player plays like this one but is raises instead of calling, then he is a Loose-Aggressive. You can possibly cut down the range on this one. For example, it's unlikely he would be raising with 57s, but still likely he raises with 89s in a good spot.

If the player calls around 1/4 of his hands, he is tight-passive, or tight-aggressive if he tends to raise. His range is strong, he probably has medium to high pocket pairs, suited connectors, KQ and AK, and suited medium aces.

You ought to be careful with loose-aggressive and tight-aggressive players. These playing styles are the strongest and people behind them tend to have some knowledge of the game. When one of these players raise from early position, you can cut down the lowest hands of they range: they most likely have TT+, AK, KQ only.

These are the general terms for players and they develop as the board comes out, and as you watch them play, you should start thinking about strategies to beat them. For example, loose-passive players will mostly call post-flop until the river (what is known as "Calling Station"). These players will call with the weakest of draws and anything below top pair, sometimes even top pair/medium kicker is a check/call for them, but so is medium pair/bad kicker, or at micros, sometimes even underpair. So as soon as you recognize someone like this, it becomes easy to play against them: you wait for good hands, and you bet them against these players. When they raise you, it means they have a monster and you should let go of anything below 2 pair. When they bet into you, you should call and re-evaluate next street, where they should most likely check. If they keep betting, you fold anything below top pair/top kicker. And against these players you shouldn't bluff, given they won't fold.

This is a crash-course on player reading. Also, try to always guess what they have, even when you're not playing.

2nd part of your question: how to analyze a hand.
You ask for your hand history and pick the hand where you are not sure about the decision you made. So you start by seeing whether you have any input on your opponent. You put him on a range of hands, and then you use a software (say, Equilab) to see whether or not you were ahead of his range on a street, and what is your chance of winning.
After this, you ask yourself "What if I had raised? What would he do? Would he fold, 3-bet, call? What would happen next?". You ask yourself about every action you could have taken and look into their consequences :) Also, try to remember why you made that bet/call/fold, and see if that was a valid reason.
If you still are not clear, you post your hand in an hand-review forum, like CardsChat :)
 
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wow, thanks, alot of information for me to digest! ill try to read people abit when i can, not 100% relevant, but do you find it easier to read people online or live? (if applicable)
 
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wow, thanks, alot of information for me to digest! ill try to read people abit when i can, not 100% relevant, but do you find it easier to read people online or live? (if applicable)

Live :D simply because body language. But live I only play with amateur strangers/friends, never played with pros, so for me it's kind of easy to know when they are bluffing or have a strong hold by just looking at them.
Online I find it easier to read people using the methods described above (mostly keeping note of how many hands they play and how they often they raise pre-flop).

Online you can also buy a HUD which gives you this information and another useful things to know (for example, how often your opponent will fold if you reraise him preflop).
 
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i play with friends live, all amateurs like myself, but just checking, because i can occasionally be put off by body language and then kick myself because i didnt notice the betting pattern is similar etc...

Not a fan of HUDs, because i'd rather struggle now and teach myself to read people better, rather than end up reliant on knowing a players VP$IP or s/t... also, it doesnt translate to live poker.
 
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You need to try and find out why you aren't winning the micro stakes. Why and how do you lose most of your stack? You can start posting hand here and i can take a look. I am not very good myself, still trying to become better and better, but i bet i can help you out if you post some hands. Don't be afraid to post hands you think you played wrong, and also post hands you are 100% sure you played it right. You learn from mistakes and if you make a mistake without notice you will keep making the same mistake over and over.

I'd love to help you out for like 30 minutes on skype, if you screenshare while doing a session. I don't coach or anything, and don't want to ask you some fee or what ever. But sounds fun for both and i think we both can get better from it :). Someone helped me out this way a while ago and it really helped me a lot. Think it is a nice way to pass the information i got from him to a next person :D Let me know if you want to do this and ill let you know when i got some time :)
 
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Big leaks , Real quick:

Playing way too loosely vs 3bet - stats - fold to 3bet, call 2 raisers, raise vs 3bet, call 3bet
Playing too many hands even in 6max - stat - vpip
Going too far with marginal hands - stats - wtsd, w$ at sd
 
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Big leaks , Real quick:

Playing way too loosely vs 3bet - stats - fold to 3bet, call 2 raisers, raise vs 3bet, call 3bet
Playing too many hands even in 6max - stat - vpip
Going too far with marginal hands - stats - wtsd, w$ at sd
+1
too many marginal hands
you bluff lots? dont
careful playing out of position
usually 3bets mean a good hand, watch what you call with

post some hands that cost you lots
gl
 
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6 max chart and if you play full ring tighten up little more especially UTG range
 

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So my main problems are:
- that I go too far with marginal hands? like top pair by the turn with a flush draw on table etc...
-I get too attached to hands when ive not had good cards in a while
-I play good, but not amazing, hands out of position, like AJ, KQ and maybe low PPs
 
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