Cant beat 4nl at Carbon

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Hello everyone I would just like to post some of my stats from pt3 and see what I am doing wrong. Cause i realy have no idea I think it could just be non showdown winnings but I'm not sure. vpip.....13.67......pfr.........8.36........af......3.22.......att to steal......34.90......3 bet....1.77.....fold 3 bet....89.06 ...fold bb to steal.....82.16....fold sb to steal.....95.53 This is 9k hands at fr 4nl I am currently on A 5 bi downswing.



Please exuse my weird way of uploading the stats

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At first glance this based on your stats:

att to steal......34.90 too low
3 bet....1.77 too low
fold 3 bet....89.06 too high
fold bb to steal.....82.16 bit too high
fold sb to steal.....95.53 too high

Vpip and PFR are more on the nitty side but that's ok I guess, you're not 3betting enough though.

AGR seems ok but with your tight range it should be a tad higher imo.
 
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Well I played on Black Chip poker for about a month and found it extremely difficult/slow making profit. In my opinion, its the player pool. If you're used to sites that don't allow US players, like me, then this could be the reason. On sites such as iPoker and 888, you're almost guaranteed at least 1 call from someone if you 3x raise pre-flop. I found that on the merge network I couldn't get enough action on ANY hands. I tried so many ways to get paid. from min. donk betting, to over-betting.

If there was something I found I could exploit, however, it is the showdown frequency of opponents. I found that c-betting success was astronomically higher than on EU sites.

If however, like me, you are tired of just picking up the blinds with your aces, then I'd suggest playing on other sites such as 888poker, Titan Poker, etc. Maybe even pokerstars.

Good luck
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Thank you for your reponse graf could you give me some basic numbers i should be shhoting for? And yes I definatly need to be 3 betting more idk I guess i get a little paranoid of getting 4 bet and i need to get over it I will often flat A 3x raise on the button with QQ do you think this is a mistake depending on reads stats ect
 
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And i would love to open up my range more I am astonished at how weak people open limp from the sb I see people do it with 42s ect should I be raising out of the bb pretty often to the sb open limp? Oh and does anyone know how to remove those annoying little numbers that show up on your pt3 hud?
 
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And i would love to open up my range more I am astonished at how weak people open limp from the sb I see people do it with 42s ect should I be raising out of the bb pretty often to the sb open limp? Oh and does anyone know how to remove those annoying little numbers that show up on your pt3 hud?


I'd raise the SB limp BVB nearly 100% of the time.

Also you could be stealing in position (co/btn) far more liberally (depending on the blinds tendencies).

You will get many callers from the blinds who will fold to a cbet on flop (since you will be cbetting more from now on).

With the basic numbers well that really depends on the style you want to play and quite a few other factors.

There is a thread about it buried somewhere here at CC but I'm in a bit of a hurry so you should search yourself :rolleyes:.

Sorry I've got HEM so I can't help you with PT3.

This thread is stuck in introductions (welcome btw, lol) and I will ask mods to move it to the proper section (idk learning poker or cash).
 
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Would you all say I have serious leaks in my game? I realy enjoy the game and realy want to get better/become A winning player but dont have money atm to invest in training sites/books do you think its possible i could be winning by september? And how should I go about inproving my game?
 
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Just booked another 3 hour losing session starting to lose confidence in my ability to win only played 2 tables today cut back from 4 I have taken week long breaks ect and its just not helping.
 
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Read through a few books, any are fine. Post a few big hands you lost into the cash game analysis section and see what feedback you recieve. It may uncover some leaks
 
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Haha i love the durr in your message. as i typed my last post I picked up 87spades limped behind A 3x open and A flat flop An 8 with flush draw doubled up then very next hand limped behind with 33 flop a set on K J 3 rainbow and get a shortstacker to stack off with J2o. Maybe this is wrong being results oriented ect but it makes me feel better.
 
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Being short-term results-oriented isn't so much a problem in and of itself as it is a potential trigger for a variety of behaviors that range from sub-optimal to counter-productive and even self-destructive.
 
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Thanks I am not very results oriented at all realy but this last downswing was A very rough one I have cut back on tables inproving my game ect and the advice about 3 betting more has helped alot to! I have cut my swing this month from A 5 bi swing to about 2 bi.
 
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Does anybody know how to post hands from pt3?
 
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Not a cash player but "I will often flat A 3x raise on the button with QQ do you think this is a mistake depending on reads stats ect" has to be a major leak and also why your 3 bet numbers are so low. Your in position with a good preflop hand postflop its just a pair.
 
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Yeah for sure it makes sense I have been 3 betting a decent amount more latly and doing well with it I only bought pt3 maybe 3 weeks ago so the hud is helping me alot with 3 betting I had A hand in the bb KK sb opens for 3x he has about 50bb I would almost always 3 bet here but I saw he folds to 3 bet everytime and he c bets the flop and turn everytime so I decide to flat and end up letting him spew all of it.
 
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And if you gys dont mind I would like to know what type of hands I should be 3 betting from the button hands like AQ-AJ-KQ ect?
 
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And if you gys dont mind I would like to know what type of hands I should be 3 betting from the button hands like AQ-AJ-KQ ect?

Depends on a many factors. A few are:

1. What position opened
2. Whats the openers player type
3. What will he do vs a 3b pre and post


1. vs early positions i would lean towards a very value range and a few bluffs as their open range is generally tight. Vs a late opener you can widen your value range a little and have some more bluffs as their open range will widen up.

2. Is it a nit? 67/3, 43/35? Based on the villain you will want to change your range.

3. A basic rule of thumb is if the villain will 4b or fold and rarely call then you should have a polarized range of hands you want to get all in with pre or just fold pre. That includes AA/KK and 67s, A5 etc for example

Vs a player who will call your 3b a lot preflop you want to 3b a wide value range of hands like AJs+, TT+ etc and have a little to no bluff range. Because they call so much you want to have hands that will still dominate them but widen your range.

Look at their fold to cb and fold to cb in 3b pot to help you decide to 3b. They might call but they have a high fold to cb so you can win it postflop
 
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in the bb KK sb opens for 3x he has about 50bb I would almost always 3 bet here but I saw he folds to 3 bet everytime and he c bets the flop and turn everytime so I decide to flat and end up letting him spew all of it.

Yea makes sense in this scenario, you 3bet and he'll fold plus you're last to act. In the one I quoted its already been 3x'd and your on the button with QQ and flat. There are the blinds still to act. But it was just a general statement not an actual hand.
 
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All sounds good I am down about 4 bi for July but I am starting to feel better and better about my game and as weird as it sounds I'm thinking I need to go through these losing sessions to learn "How to lose" And for the most part I don't think I tilt very much I am trying to get to the point where I laugh and say wow the only way he can beat me is by sucking out and move on maybe I should take tips from ivey :D


Thanks everyone for the help!
 
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Carbon is a joke. Play your tightest and bet bet bet to value. Whenever someone bets excessively they seem to have it, I have been bluffed maybe 5% of the time.
 
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Merge - $0.04 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3 Villian is tilting and again folds to 3 bet 8 of 9 times but bets flop very often so that was my logic in just flatting but maybe because I am oop it was wrong but I like my line

MP: $8.29
MP+1: $5.99
LP: $4.09
CO: $3.79
BTN: $5.16
SB: $2.26
Hero (BB): $4.00
UTG: $4.00
UTG+1: $1.38

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has A:club: A:spade:

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to $0.20, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.16

Flop: ($0.42, 2 players) T:club: A:diamond: 3:diamond:
Hero checks, CO bets $3.59 and is all-in, Hero calls $3.59

Turn: ($7.60, 2 players) 4:heart:

River: ($7.60, 2 players) J:spade:

CO shows K:diamond: J:diamond: (One Pair, Jacks) (Pre 18%, Flop 33%, Turn 23%)
Hero shows A:club: A:spade: (Three of a Kind, Aces) (Pre 82%, Flop 67%, Turn 77%)
Hero wins $7.22
 
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Yesssss I figured out how to convert hands! Your all in for A treat now lol. I am also taking a route of veiwing winning/playing well as just good varience so I can deal with losing more and bring down my ego a bit when I win.In reality I was lucky that A dimond or straight dident fall on the turn/river.
 
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Merge - $0.04 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3 What do you gys think about this can I get away on the turn?

UTG+1: $5.15
MP: $2.83
MP+1: $3.84
LP: $1.46
CO: $2.68
BTN: $8.50
SB: $1.48
Hero (BB): $4.37
UTG: $1.94

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has J:spade: J:club:

fold, fold, MP calls $0.04, fold, LP calls $0.04, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.20, fold, LP calls $0.16

Flop: ($0.46, 2 players) T:club: Q:diamond: Q:club:
Hero bets $0.23, LP calls $0.23

Turn: ($0.92, 2 players) 2:club:
Hero bets $3.94 and is all-in, LP calls $1.03 and is all-in

River: ($2.98, 2 players) 5:club:

LP shows A:diamond: Q:heart: (Three of a Kind, Queens) (Pre 43%, Flop 86%, Turn 77%)
Hero shows J:spade: J:club: (Flush, Queen High) (Pre 57%, Flop 14%, Turn 23%)
Hero wins $2.84
 
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Yesssss I figured out how to convert hands! Your all in for A treat now lol. I am also taking a route of veiwing winning/playing well as just good varience so I can deal with losing more and bring down my ego a bit when I win.In reality I was lucky that A dimond or straight dident fall on the turn/river.

It doesnt matter what comes. You got the money in as a favourite. Thats all that matters. What cards fall next are of no consequence. Saying things like 'lucky' and being results oriented will really be detrimental to you poker career.

Even getting it all in as an under dog isnt always wrong. As long as you think you got it in good vs his range.

On your second hand you have to think of what worse will call your psb there. Theres 2 queens and the flush got there. Not much of his range will call you that isnt a flush or queen. Tx, KJ, 99, etc will fold a lot. Youre getting called by better here way too often.

More advice is when you post a hand make sure you include relevant stats. Include villain vp, pfr, hands. Also include 3b, cb, fcb, etc if they are relevant. Include details of any history. Include any reads and or lines he took previously. Also include your thought process because its not just the hand that matters but how you thought about the hand. We dont want to fix the mistake on the surface(badly played hand). We want to fix the root of the problem (usually flawed thinking).

Hope this helps. Good luck. Keep posting hands and keep analyzing pt3
 
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