Cannot make the hero call =(

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I had J3 on a A76JA board.

BTN had been raising on the BTN everytime so I decided to try to resteal from SB which didn't work, as BB called, which let BTN follow in.

No action until the river, when BTN shoved. His bet was about twice the pot.

I was leaning toward a bluff here as he wouldn't be betting so much with an A, but I couldn't bring myself to call as I didn't know what BB was gonna do.

He shows 10 8.

Still playing very nitty weak at 4NL. Not improving. Am still winning at a pretty decent clip, but could get better if I can do better against the aggressive guys.
 
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Even if he has a j do you think you beat his kicker?? Or do you thin his kicker is bigger than 7 ?? Real hard to call when your beat in so many ways..
 
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agree with clubs^

i think thats a pretty sick read if you call here and win..(a read that isn't profitable in the long run i think)
 
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Should probs pick a different hand to re-steal with as J3 doesnt flop very well. Suited As and med suited connectors can at least flop some equity and possibly get better hands to fold.
 
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Yeah it was not a great situation to try to resteal.

I just felt that I had not fought back at all to his previous steals from BTN (I had crap everytime), and that I had put coins in the pot voluntarily 2 times up to that point, that a 3 bet there was pretty strong. He could have had any two cards as he had raised from BTN all 4 times.

I guess BB called with something like KQ suited. If BB had not called, I think I could have taken it with a cbet on the flop, or at least on the turn J.

I just couldn't follow my gut there and call the shove because as you guys said, I could lose in so many ways. Normally at 4NL, a shove there like that is legit, but if there was a situation to call, against this guy, this was it. My cursor hovered over call 3 times but I eventually clicked fold.

I put him on either a weak ace or nothing. Given his play before, I think he would not have checked twice with an A, so I was leaning toward bluff.
 
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Yeah you needed to follow up your bluff or you're letting everyone know you were just kidding. Rep that ace after the flop and the pot is yours. Let it slip past and someone else will rep it and now you are on defense and can't make the call.
 
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I would need to risk a significant portion of my stack to cbet the flop, and I didn’t think it was gonna work. I was just going to check fold if anyone bet. When there was no action, that’s when I started to think my J was good. I was prepared to check call the river, but the shove made me pause. Against a normal guy I instafold there, but against this particular guy I was just so close to calling.



I thought a bluff was more likely given that I didn’t think he would check the flop and turn with an A, and I didn’t think he would shove with anything but an A or total bluff. Since his two checks made an A unlikely, a bluff was the only thing left.



I did manage to get the right read and catch a bluffer in a smaller pot later on but against the aggressive dudes willing to put it all in with air, I still don’t trust my gut enough to call.
 
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Easy call on the river, but your play up until then was so incredibly bad, you deserve to lose.

Just let him steal your blinds. Really. Its one big blind. It'll be okay.
 
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yeah just throw that trash away preflop
 
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My first question to myself when something like this happens is, "Should I have even been in a position to see the flop?" When the answer is no, then I have no one to blame but myself for going down a dark alley and getting mugged.
 
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You'll get better by time and practising, then you'll be able to make these calls.

I think you should bet the turn. Guy from button will obviously call with big range of hands (because he was stealing so much) and BB didn't have to call that much I guess (depends on the size of your 3bet). And also you'd get some informations to make a decision on a river. If you want to bluff or not. But 3betting with J3 never leads to something good so...
It also depends on what limits you're playing on. If you're playing on micro stakes, you should be playing ABC poker and that should be good. On higher stakes you never 3bet with J3.
 
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The 3 bet was a bit too loose but it was OK. You have to follow it up with a flop bet though since the A is pretty much what you are representing by 3 betting preflop. For whether to call or not, I dont think your opponent would bet a J on the river while checking the turn that often, especially in the micros where people simply bet when they hit the board. And he isnt really getting value from worse if he bets that big. Even if there are some slowplayed Ace that doesn't 4 bet preflop in his range, he still has a lot of air. You should probably call.
 
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The 3 bet was a bit too loose but it was OK. You have to follow it up with a flop bet though, since you can easily represent an Ace after 3 betting preflop.

For whether to call the river or not, I don't think your opponent would bet a J on the river while checking the turn that often, especially in the micros where people simply bet when they hit the board. And he isn't really getting value from worse if he bets that big. Even if there are some slow-played Ace that doesn't 4 bet preflop or bet the turn in his range, he still has a lot of air. You should probably call.
 
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Agree with the guys. First of all why to be involved with j3? If you want to punish that guy pick something better than j3. Anyway it's not a good idea to call with just a pair of jacks on that type of a board. I mean that time he bluffed, but if he hadn't been bluffed you would have lost a lot of money.
 
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