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Hi all,

I feel like I come across this situation a lot in micro stakes. I’ll be small blind and 2-3 players will limp in.

What sort of range should I be calling with? I feel pretty good about my raise range, but am I missing some potential value in folding so much? I realize my pot odds are great, just not sure what range I should call with.
 
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There are a lot of players in micro stakes who will limp in. If you are SB, you should not be playing unless you have a very strong hand like AA, KK, QQ, AKs, pairs, suited BW (Broadway J-K). If you do have anything like that, you would definitely raise.

You will have to act first after the flop and you have no idea what they connected with because they are limping in on a very wide range. That is not a situation I would want to be in.

So to answer the question, your folding is not losing value unless you like gambling. To prove it to yourself, or conversely to disprove it, simply fold and watch the hand out and write the result down. Collect enough data to give yourself an idea of how you want to interpret it.
 
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I feel like I come across this situation a lot in micro stakes. I’ll be small blind and 2-3 players will limp in. What sort of range should I be calling with? I feel pretty good about my raise range, but am I missing some potential value in folding so much
I agree with you - I understand the raising range from the SB with 2-3 limpers MUCH better than the calling range. The answer is YES - you are missing potential value in folding so much - at least that is what I've read. The question on both of our minds is "what range should a player call the SB with?" I have been working on this problem in two ways - with a wider raise strategy and a looser call strategy. I do NOT know if these ideas are correct... maybe someone with more experience can help us.

Raising in the SB: I have been working with opening my raising range and going for the squeeze - especially in cases where I believe that my opponents can fold their limp... and if they don't I still have something to work with.

Calling in the SB: Some other thoughts are completing the SB (in the 2-3 limper scenario) with hands that will be really well disguised and might have a chance to flop good given the limpers ranges. Hands like suited gappers for example J8s, 96s etc...

Do you have any strategies you are testing to understand the call range better?
 
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Completing a limp from the SB? I would limp 22-88 maybe 99. 23s-J10s. I'd limp all gappers too like 74s 86s Q10s KJs and what not. My raising range would be 99+ QJs+. Mind you I'm folding a lot of that to a raise, but completing a 1 blind limp behind other people and see a flop cheap and maybe flop a monster and stack someone is a must. If you raise from the SB to a limp and you get jammed on you believe that they are strong. Even if its a bluff you are hardly invested and out of position and should get away from anything that is not a premium holding. Post flop if you don't connect in a strong way you should be check folding. When you make 2pair+ or a combo draw where you are 50%+ to win you should be check raising. If you flop the nuts in a limped pot to be afraid to bet, but don't over bet. You might scare them off. Hopefully they check raise you and you can 3 bet and maybe they will jam on you.
 
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With limpers before i would complete the SB with any decent suited hand and good off suit connector or 1 gapper and some of the smaller pairs that you perhaps don't wish to iso with.So probably something around 25% to 30% of hands and iso raise with around 20% or so. although i'm sure others might complete even wider.
 
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Great points here

I‘m typically folding small suited connectors and even mid one gappers (8/10s). Don’t have the numbers but I’m guessing my calling range is super small, maybe just small pocket pairs? Big pairs, suited Broadway I’m raising

Seems like I might need to open the range to the above hands. But with the understanding that I’m check/folding most flops.
 
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Do you have any strategies you are testing to understand the call range better?


I’d think something like flopzilla would give us a nice picture, but I don’t have any software like that.

The implied odds are pretty good since a lot of people might hit top pair but if we catch our set or flop a straight or flush, we can probably get them to shove. I feel like this level of player feels their opponent is bluffing WAY more than they actually are (I’m rarely bluffing in micro, too many people call with anything)
 
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Call this range: 22-88, A2s-A9s, K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,JTo+,QJo+
 
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