Building bankroll as a beginner, how many tables?

Hey!

I have 10dollars atm on my pokerstars account.. Just deposit them..

I have done 1 of thoose deposits since i started, i have jungled up and down in my money with some upps and more downs but i have made some rookie mistakes ofc but mistakes i wont to twice, so alot of thoose money comes from playing like a rookie and learning..

I feel more comfortable today with my game and i think before i do something etc

But im in a learning curve where things start to click and i starting to get better so the losses are not there as much and i do go up at times..

The questions is how i should play to be more profitable and what tables i should play on?

I play 0,01-0,02 NL on maybe 2tables

Give me all the advices you could give me and i will do my best to become a better player!

Take care!

Aside from strategies/theories, you have to follow bankroll Management strictly.

Hi, I think you should deposit a little bit more because even at Nl2 you can go on a 5 buy-in downsing with the risk of losing your entire roll. For Nl2 I would deposit at least 30$ and I would not play more than 2 tables until I'm rolled at least 25x for that stake.

cashgrinderz69 said:

Hi, I think you should deposit a little bit more because even at Nl2 you can go on a 5 buy-in downsing with the risk of losing your entire roll. For Nl2 I would deposit at least 30$ and I would not play more than 2 tables until I'm rolled at least 25x for that stake.

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Hi!

Ty for the info, but could u tell me all the words u are shortening up, the NL2 etc..

Like what u mean by NL2

And then what u mean buy ''at least 25x that stake''

I am not familirar with the poker langues

Hope u understand

Kolehmainen said:

Hi!

Ty for the info, but could u tell me all the words u are shortening up, the NL2 etc..

Like what u mean by NL2

And then what u mean buy ''at least 25x that stake''

I am not familirar with the poker langues

Hope u understand

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no problem, Nl2= no limit 2-0,01-0,02
25x=It means you should have at least 25 buy-ins for the stake you are playing at in your online poker room. So if you are playing NL2 you need 50$ on you account.

cashgrinderz69 said:

no problem, Nl2= no limit 2-0,01-0,02
25x=It means you should have at least 25 buy-ins for the stake you are playing at in your online poker room. So if you are playing NL2 you need 50$ on you account.

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Aha, correct me if im wrong..

By the 5buy in downswing u ment that i loose the whole buy in for 2dollar on the NL2 tables there for my 10dollars on a bad day would be lost..

But correct me..

I play tight and aggresive now in the beggining..

Only playin premuim hands like AA,KK,QQ,JJ and sometimes try to get into the pot cheap with suited cards (must have an ace) and then im betting 3x bb pre flop and the same after flopp if i hit something good or have a premuim pocket pair with nothing scary on the deck..

But is the NL2 a good way to start, and then, what table size? 6or 9?

Kolehmainen said:

Aha, correct me if im wrong..

By the 5buy in downswing u ment that i loose the whole buy in for 2dollar on the NL2 tables there for my 10dollars on a bad day would be lost..

But correct me..

I play tight and aggresive now in the beggining..

Only playin premuim hands like AA,KK,QQ,JJ and sometimes try to get into the pot cheap with suited cards (must have an ace) and then im betting 3x bb pre flop and the same after flopp if i hit something good or have a premuim pocket pair with nothing scary on the deck..

But is the NL2 a good way to start, and then, what table size? 6or 9?

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Yes you are right even if you are a good player you can lose 10$ at NL2 very easily so that's why you need more money on your account. As I said 30$ are fine. Until you get comfortable playing post-flop play a tight range preflop and be aware of position(open very little from early position and widen your range from late position).

the problem that you face is that if you are playing AA-JJ and suited Ax you are only playing 6% of cards dealt . that is extremely nitty and when you want to play people will loook at your stats and fold since they automatically put you on a premium hand.

Keith_MM said:

the problem that you face is that if you are playing AA-JJ and suited Ax you are only playing 6% of cards dealt . that is extremely nitty and when you want to play people will loook at your stats and fold since they automatically put you on a premium hand.

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I know that its not much but as i ment was that if i get theese hands i will raise with theese..

Any pocket pair i will actually buy in for bb and se the flopp and hopefully flopp a set, if not then i will fold.. I will limp in on theese cards if the pot is big enough..

I am learning the position play and i have won some hands wit absolutely nothing just because of the position i have on the other ones..

I am learning everyday so its better to start slow with narrow hands and work my way up with more hands when i get more comfi i think..

Couse when i do hit the hands i do allright, sometimes have extrem unluck on the river but thats just the game i quess..

Kolehmainen said:

I know that its not much but as i ment was that if i get theese hands i will raise with theese..

Any pocket pair i will actually buy in for bb and se the flopp and hopefully flopp a set, if not then i will fold.. I will limp in on theese cards if the pot is big enough..

I am learning the position play and i have won some hands wit absolutely nothing just because of the position i have on the other ones..

I am learning everyday so its better to start slow with narrow hands and work my way up with more hands when i get more comfi i think..

Couse when i do hit the hands i do allright, sometimes have extrem unluck on the river but thats just the game i quess..

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Yeah, but you don't need to be that nitty. Do you have a basic understanding of the game? If you do then play more good hands plus the ones you mentioned in position and you'll pick up lots of pots

Firstly, as everyone is trying to build a bankroll, when one plays in a game one should lose any attachment to the money. They are tools.
If a player becomes to focused on losing the pot or having to win to become ahead it may affect decision making and cost money in the long run.
Second, Its a good policy to only play premium hands but when you go up in table buy ins, people will read that. So focus on good play, but also focus on the players play and play which ever way feels comfortable for you.

What tables should i play NL2?

9 or 6 man tables?

think you should play 6 max at 10NL or lower as people as looking to spin up a roll rather than use a proper bankroll management style.

Ok guys tell me..

I had K,K UTG so i 3x bet the bb

One calls

Flopp comes 8,K,7 with 2hearts

guy bets 0,14 and i call

turn is a 5 spade

he bets 0,30 and i just call

River is a 6 of heart

I bet 0,20 and he calls and shows flush..

Did i make something wrong or did i just had so bad luck?

Kolehmainen said:

Ok guys tell me..

I had K,K UTG so i 3x bet the bb

One calls

Flopp comes 8,K,7 with 2hearts

guy bets 0,14 and i call

turn is a 5 spade

he bets 0,30 and i just call

River is a 6 of heart

I bet 0,20 and he calls and shows flush..

Did i make something wrong or did i just had so bad luck?

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Don't slow play. Raise flop, raise turn.

if i deposit $10 bucks im playing low buyin tourneys with hopefully some deep runs to get me started

to me the cash tables are so rigged the will take you there quick probally on A's or something so you have to deposit again and again

brokenlung911 said:

to me the cash tables are so rigged the will take you there quick probally on A's or something so you have to deposit again and again

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yawn.....it wouldn't be that you don't understand how to play ring games.Nah it couldn't possibly be that as the reason that you lose money hand over fist.

I think there is a big problem in the microstakes games because ppl tend to call big bets with littery nothing and then hit the nuts on turn or river..

I mean, they wouldnt do that if the money they where putting in was bigger so they just instacall pretty much everything and doesnt care if they loose that hand or not, they just go by luck..

So its hard sometimes for me who wants to learn and play my A game when ppl are calling from all over the place...

I mean i can have A,K or even AA,KK and still loose just because of this..

One time i had the AA and the guy raised me so i went all in and he sat on 7,2 and the flopp comes 7,7,10 i belive and he won the hand with trips..

Its just so bad sometimes..

And all this is on NL2, 0,01-0,02

Kolehmainen said:

I think there is a big problem in the microstakes games because ppl tend to call big bets with littery nothing and then hit the nuts on turn or river..

I mean, they wouldnt do that if the money they where putting in was bigger so they just instacall pretty much everything and doesnt care if they loose that hand or not, they just go by luck..

So its hard sometimes for me who wants to learn and play my A game when ppl are calling from all over the place...

I mean i can have A,K or even AA,KK and still loose just because of this..

One time i had the AA and the guy raised me so i went all in and he sat on 7,2 and the flopp comes 7,7,10 i belive and he won the hand with trips..

Its just so bad sometimes..

And all this is on NL2, 0,01-0,02

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No, you just need to learn how to play in the micros. The hand you posted clearly shows you're playing the wrong way.

With the micros it is all about value. Do not expect fish to put in money for you when you have a good hand. Bet your set of Kings on the flop incredibly high, maybe go all-in while you still have the best hand - the fish don't look at the bet sizing and will still call if they have any type of draw with terrible odds.

As for the bad beats, it's just part of the game. You might lose this time then win the next 2, or lose 3 and then win the next 6 - but just bet for more value while you are still ahead and fold if you ever feel you are eventually behind... do not make hero calls on the river or try to bluff against a fish.

It can take hundreds of thousands of hands to level out but it probably does eventually. I have been down more than 10 buy-ins at 0.01/0.02 and came back to be up more than 100... you need a lot of patience. It is not for everyone. Most of the time you beat yourself by getting frustrated. You need to be in there to make good hands like sets and flushes and hope your opponent catches something slightly worse and bet into them for value.

If you think you are unlucky or that the game is rigged against you or that you have worse variance than others then take a break and play with play money and go up the stakes there - just for a challenge. You will still see the same sick things happen, even more-so because there are even more donks. Once you get up to hundreds of thousands of play chips then people take the play game more seriously and it can be just like playing with real money at micro stakes.

You will see the game is just the game, the money is just the money, and your emotions are just your emotions. They can all exist separately. They are not that relevant to the game. Furthermore, equity is just equity. Having 51-99% does not mean you should win any hand. You will just win more hands than your opponent long term as long as you do not make the same mistakes as them.

Kolehmainen said:

I think there is a big problem in the microstakes games because ppl tend to call big bets with littery nothing and then hit the nuts on turn or river..

I mean, they wouldnt do that if the money they where putting in was bigger so they just instacall pretty much everything and doesnt care if they loose that hand or not, they just go by luck..

why is that a problem?exploit it ,if they call with rubbish bet bigger and take more money off them so when they fold having missed you've made more and don't pay them off when they start raising you unless you know that they bluff a lot.

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So its hard sometimes for me who wants to learn and play my A game when ppl are calling from all over the place...

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if you can't beat really bad players how do you expect to beat better players and then good players?

I mean i can have A,K or even AA,KK and still loose just because of this..

One time i had the AA and the guy raised me so i went all in and he sat on 7,2 and the flopp comes 7,7,10 i belive and he won the hand with trips..

Its just so bad sometimes..

And all this is on NL2, 0,01-0,02

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http://www.pokerstrategy.com
Equity Win Tie
MP2 87.42% 87.24% 0.18% { AdAh }
MP3 12.58% 12.40% 0.18% { 7s2c }

on average you win $1.50 every time you play this . Why complain? he just hit his 12% chance to win the other 87% of the time you are laughing at how bad he is

The most important is to know what type of parts you will be able to put your skills to work and above all respect the bankroll management

i'd recommend to start at 9player Full Ring and start off on one table, it's easier for beginners to play full ring as you don't have to be positionally aware and you can just play your two cards. Add more tables after you get more comfortable, plus with 5buy-ins you shouldn't even be considering adding more tables until you're properly rolled.

thatgreekdude said:

i'd recommend to start at 9player Full Ring and start off on one table, it's easier for beginners to play full ring as you don't have to be positionally aware and you can just play your two cards. Add more tables after you get more comfortable, plus with 5buy-ins you shouldn't even be considering adding more tables until you're properly rolled.

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Agreed. If your bankroll is limited, start off one table at a time until your bankroll can handle the ups and downs (learning mistakes, variance, etc). Also, a very basic bankroll management technique that helped me in the beginning was to only put in to play a maximum of 10% of your poker bankroll for cash games and/or a maximum of 5% of your bankroll for tournaments. This technique also seemed to help keep me from moving up levels too fast before my ability/play allowed it. Multi-tabling will take some of your focus and concentration away from each game. Personally, I find it easier to multi-table Sit-n-go's and tourneys than cash games. But that's me. Good luck building your bankroll.