Bluffing a calling station?

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I'm in 8th position (right before dealer) with AQo. 4 players limp before me so I raise 3BB + 1 per limp.

One limper calls.

Flop comes 854 rainbow - He checks - I C-bet 3/4 of pot and get called.

Turn card comes 9h. I make another 3/4 pot bet after a check which again gets called.

River card comes a 10s to which he again checks and I make a 1/2 pot bet which he then responds with an all in. I fold. His all in was half the pot.

I was fairly sure he had hit the flop - what do you guys think?
 
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I belive he had something in last point at least. Just tell me, was he limping fairly often before that hand? Because if you knew we was a "limper", you should'nt afford that luxury with betting that hard. Sometimes you get called from a limper with third pair on the flop with no problem, half of pot, the whole pot bet, you name it. Back in the days, even nowdays, i get so frustrated with the way some limper play at my table that i keep pushing until i push myself out from the tournament :D Honestly, against that kind of players we should be more patient about it and wait for our moment bacause really, some players in some situations when they "have something", you just can't bluff
 
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In my experience, I think you were just unlucky. Yeah, I think he hit the flop.
Do not worry, you played well technically.
 
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probably he is waiting for you to put chips on the table, and in the end he tried to extract more .. .. it was worth the game...
 
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First of all calling station usually means no fold until river at least. So, against that type of players play aggressive like you did only with very good hands (AQo is among those hands pre-flop, but not post flop if you don't catch any card).
Considering you didn't give us more info on the villain, it is possible he was just trapping you. That being said, it is possible he limped with small pocket pair, and hit the flop, from that point on, it is a good line for the villain to check-call and shove the river. With that in mind, after his call on the flop I would just give up on the turn
 
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After C-bet he and had call you, had to stop C-betting,the flop was hit surely by him.
 
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I didn't know much about the villain since I had just joined the table and only played a few hands.

Thanks for the comments guys!
 
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After C-bet he and had call you, had to stop C-betting,the flop was hit surely by him.

Thing is I've had countless times where a second C-bet convinces them to fold.
 
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could have Three of eight, three of nive, three of ten, JJ, QQ, KK, AA

As you were increasing, he just paid and waited for you to send him more. :)
 
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I played a home game against a calling station, my friend's mum who was drinking wine. She played almost every hand and called pretty much everything. She ended up winning the game
 
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bluffing is fun I guess?

I don't see a real reason to bet this flop so big or to run a multi-street bluff - if they have something they aren't folding.

I think you played it fine if the flop was Q54 though. :p
 
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You cbet bluffed. It didn't work. You don't have any equity. Nothing to fall back on if you are called. One bet and done. Give up.

The board is good for a calling range, bad for your range. Stop betting. You can't just bet and not think about what the opponent has. This is so elementary man, you need to study up about how to hand read.
 
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yup at least one pair

stations may be bad technically,but they aint stupid!! He could have been dumb and turned to pair after he called and called then played it meek and shoved it. Stations and bad players don't play correctly and wont protect their hand they will figure out when their good though and shove it that's the rush for em. Aq isn't a great hand overall it's a good raising hand but against that player you should have checked the flops and turn he might have made a small bet on the river and you could have dumped it.
 
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If he bet after your check he could have bluffed you, you were the PF raiser and low cards came up.
 
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You cbet bluffed. It didn't work. You don't have any equity. Nothing to fall back on if you are called. One bet and done. Give up.

The board is good for a calling range, bad for your range. Stop betting. You can't just bet and not think about what the opponent has. This is so elementary man, you need to study up about how to hand read.
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Also post hand histories rather than descriptions, pretty sure there was some bet sizing issues there if your river bet left him only raising half pot
 
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Trillian is on the money. You said you hadn't played a lot of hands, so how do you know this person was a calling station? Making assumptions with little information is a bad idea when playing poker. I think your decision to fold was just fine. As long as you have chips, there are always more hands where you can take a calling station to the cleaners.
 
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Quite bad triple barrel in my eyes

I'm in 8th position (right before dealer) with AQo. 4 players limp before me so I raise 3BB + 1 per limp.

One limper calls.

Flop comes 854 rainbow - He checks - I C-bet 3/4 of pot and get called.

Turn card comes 9h. I make another 3/4 pot bet after a check which again gets called.

River card comes a 10s to which he again checks and I make a 1/2 pot bet which he then responds with an all in. I fold. His all in was half the pot.

I was fairly sure he had hit the flop - what do you guys think?


I believe that you made a crucial mistake 3-barreling this board. Why would you do that for?

If we think about the hand:
There were 4 limpers. You raised pre flop 7BBs which is quite a lot. He called.

His limp-call range hits the board of 854 rainbow a lot more than your betting-to-4-limpers-range.

The C-bet was absolutely unnecesary from my point of view, and the bet was too large. The sizing even looked like a bluff, which you dont want to make it look. I would not C-bet this flop, but even if you did, which was not utterly bad, you should have stopped betting on the turn. He check-called you 2 times to check-raise you all in on the river. Either he knew you are bluffing or he had goods.

It was indeed an easy fold on the river, considering your holding and the board, but I recommend you to stop triple barreling these boards as they hit the limpers range a lot more than they do yours.


EDIT: I actually posted my answer before reading the others answers. This one is 100% true:

You cbet bluffed. It didn't work. You don't have any equity. Nothing to fall back on if you are called. One bet and done. Give up.

The board is good for a calling range, bad for your range. Stop betting. You can't just bet and not think about what the opponent has. This is so elementary man, you need to study up about how to hand read.


Good luck further ! :) :icon_rr:
 
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Against calling station bluffing river after barreling is not a mistake (generally) imo, however CB and Turn bet usually are. So the case of 3 barreling for stone cold bluff should never even come up.
 
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C-betting the flop is ok, but once called by a "calling station" I would check behind the turn and not put any more money into the pot unless I pair up.

Having said that, I do admire your aggression. Not many players have the courage to fire three barrels there, and that makes you a tough opponent to play against.

Keep in mind though that if you choose to play this aggressive style it will cause you to have bigger swings.
 
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