Bet while behind in equity?

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Should you bet with a read that villain is on a straight and flush draw and ahead of you equity wise on the flop while you only have a pair with no other draws? 100bb deep game.

I'm thinking not betting for pot control since villain is ahead equity wise but then again he is also chasing draws so betting has merit for one your protecting your hand and two your betting for value since villain is chasing their draws but as i said you don't want to build the pot too much since villain is ahead in equity so should you bet after they check flop to you or just check back for pot control?
 
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To me you check most of the time or you raise big or all in and pray they dont have the nuts. They may think you got a bigger flush.:cool:
 
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I find a bad idea to bet.
 
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Sometimes I bet sometimes I check. Depends on the villain and how aggressive they have been playing and if you feel they are capable of making big bluffs. When you bet you protect your hand and make your opponent pay to draw. On the other hand when you build a pot you can be facing a large bluff on the river if your opponent misses and decides to get aggressive.
 
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Should you bet with a read that villain is on a straight and flush draw and ahead of you equity wise on the flop while you only have a pair with no other draws? 100bb deep game.

I'm thinking not betting for pot control since villain is ahead equity wise but then again he is also chasing draws so betting has merit for one your protecting your hand and two your betting for value since villain is chasing their draws but as i said you don't want to build the pot too much since villain is ahead in equity so should you bet after they check flop to you or just check back for pot control?

I would say there are times when it depends on how aggressively your opponents play their drawing hands and how comfortable you are getting 100BBs in with only one pair based on your read. If you bet it and they raise and barrel future streets you are going to be in a bad spot, guessing if they flopped big or just have a big draw.

There are boards that are so draw heavy you are often better off checking for pot control, since you will not know what cards complete your opponent's hand and there are many bad cards that can come up on the turn/river. If the pot is big you may find yourself priced in or wanting to call due to pot size.

One thing I would keep in mind is, if you do get to the river and everything misses, your opponent's hand will be unlikely to be able to call you on the river, so you are better off checking and calling and allowing them to bluff.

When checking a pair on the flop, if you feel you are ahead on the turn and have a good idea of what draw and cards you don't want to see, you should generally be betting large enough to charge your opponent to draw incorrectly with one card to come. A flush draw with 9 outs and 1 card to come is about 4 to 1 or 20% so give them bad odds to draw and expect to make $ in the long run.

Hope this helps and good luck to you! :D
 
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Generally, in the situation you are describing, your real decision is whether you want to maintain pot control and evaluate after each street, or whether you want to gamble and hope you opponent doesn't hit his draw. Sometimes, small bets to the river against an opponent who will chase draws can pay you off when he misses. And with small bets, you can always get away from the hand if the board keeps getting worse for your hand. Many a player will say that they would rather make a bad laydown than a bad call. Doug has made excellent points, and are worth considering.
 
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If you have a pair and hes in a draw. betting is for value.

only bluff if you can get the fold
 
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If opp has even as ocean of outs to improve , with pair we should be leading flop by betting standard to price out his draws rather than giving him free cards by checking
The idea of controlling pot depends on the what next street brings
if its blank and doesnt complete opp draw , we should keep betting for value
If river completes possible str8 or flush for opp , we can check & and fold to a standard bet

at no point we should be slowing down just because opp has loads of outs to improve , hes still behind in hand as he have nothing
and we should be as aggressive as possible to make him fold & get value if he misses

with pair vs Draw never behind in equity , you are most likely gonna be 50-50

Note : - The answer i provided is absolutely based on point " A pair vs Draw " as you have asked about what to do in a situation where u have pair and opp has draw - from my point of view

but hand could have gone into different directions in reality which is another topic
 
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At the moment, I share the view of joeisi and DougPkrMonsta, it mostly depends about how aggressive your opponent is.

Against passive player I think the correct is always to bet.

Against semi passive player I think it’s correct either bet or call. If you bet yourself you can decide how much you ask and he will not raise you. So for example bet ½ pot OTF when you are equity wise behind, and bet larger OTT when you are equity leader.

Against agro I think the best action is fold, well certainly not bet.

In practise you will never know your opponents cards, and if you get raised with one pair type hand vs tight or tag, you need to fold and that sucks. Problem here is that if you don't bet they bet, and calling sucks mostly more than getting raised, because it's relatively easy to fold. So I don't actually know the correct play against tag. If nit is very nitty and hardly ever bet draw, that is easier.
 
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It obviously depends on the villain. However position is always important to have no matter what you think their equity is on the flop.
 
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Think about the range of hands he could call with. What's your equity vs that range? What is the range of hands he will fold to a bet? If there's a lot more hands he has to fold that might actually be ahead of you then a bet is very good. If way more hands in his range can call and are ahead of you then a bet isn't great.
 
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This is a tough one to answer. Some players are very stubborn, particularly in free rolls, so it can get expensive trying to bet them off the pot--especially, with suspicious RNG's that seem to reward the chasers, more often than not (oops, did that sound a little cynical? :)). If I have but a pair, and the board is well-connected, I try to keep the pot size small--as a rule. Of course, sometimes circumstances dictate otherwise.
 
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Bet him otherwise he will start the barrels.

If you are oop you check raise flop... If you are in position you bet flop, check back on turn (if you check on flop you might face a large bet) and voila a river with your price.
 
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Bet while behind

I try to stay lucky. SO yes to betting while behind. Hit that draw man
 
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