Best play for this situation?

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Ok so this happened to me the other night, I was playing heads up but Im still curious about the correct play at any size table.

Lets say you have a really solid hand like Ah Ks
Flop comes Ac 8h Kc (you bet, they call)

Turn is 10c (this is where Im not really sure what to do, now theres a flush draw...but lets just say you bet big, which is what I do and they call)

River is a 5c (Now I pretty much know Im screwed)

This happened to me the other night and he had a 3c and there was a lot of money in the pot...


Whats the correct play for this situation because its been happening to me a lot lately, where I flop a monster hand and they call no matter what hitting a flush with runner runner suited.

Thanks in advance!
 
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If he wants to be a donk, let him be a donk.

A 4-board flush isn't gonna come every time, so you will win alot more than you'll lose.

Obviously, slow the betting down when there are 4 cards to a straight or flush on the board.
 
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What about when there are 3 of the same suit out...what do you do? I usually make a big bet to make it too expensive to chase that last card but is that the right move? Sometimes it backfires and they just have a legitimate flush, but I only do this with top pair or better.
 
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You did not tell 2 important things here...
1.) You did not mention anything about the preflop action and ur position which is crucial...
2.) You did not tell how much did u bet post flop, as this a crucial and deciding as to wat u need to do during that betting round...
Believe me YOUR BET SIZE is THE MOST factor here..
So please give me that stats and i would love to comment further about this situation....
 
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You played it pretty good imo and they only thing I would of changed is not betting big when the suits are against you. What I notice on this board and others is when you're given advice ppl seem to automatically asume that the other player is a pro were most of the time it's a donk.

Find a style of play that works for you and stick to it and remember the game isn't always going to go the way it should but in the long run you should be ahead of the game. Long live the donk.
 
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You did not tell 2 important things here...
1.) You did not mention anything about the preflop action and ur position which is crucial...
2.) You did not tell how much did u bet post flop, as this a crucial and deciding as to wat u need to do during that betting round...
Believe me YOUR BET SIZE is THE MOST factor here..
So please give me that stats and i would love to comment further about this situation....


I understand what your saying and know that info is really important but instead of doing a "did I play this right" type thread I just wanted feedback on the situation as a whole. I figured it happens to others often as well.
 
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I understand what your saying and know that info is really important but instead of doing a "did I play this right" type thread I just wanted feedback on the situation as a whole. I figured it happens to others often as well.

Bet sizing is important. Huge. You dont say what u bet on the flop. Top 2 pr is huge on the flop but turned into a real problem as the flush emerged. With lack of adequate info, all I can say is keep the pot size small until you are sure you are ahead... but bet enough to deny him good drawing odds...
 
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I understand what your saying and know that info is really important but instead of doing a "did I play this right" type thread I just wanted feedback on the situation as a whole. I figured it happens to others often as well.
Believe me mate, without knowing the bet size there{which is deciding}, only donks can give u advice...And any advice given without knowing the 2 factors i mentioned earlier will not help at all in any way....
 
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I'll have to agree that a lot more info was needed, next time save the HH for us and post all but the ending for advice on the play. Oddly enough no one mentioned the possible straight on the turn, villian could have held QJ...

Spidey, there is no need of calling anyone "Donks". The donk of the thread is the guy that called big with a 3c, not CCr's that are used to trying to help others even when information is limited.
 
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I would have been worried on the turn, str and flush out there. Not only a draw it could have been made already. This particular instance, it just amazes me why he thought he wasn't beat. 4 clubs and he thinks his 3 is the best hand.
 
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well.. think about this. what makes him to see the turn .
It may cost him less to see the turn, so your bet/raise may be very small to call, make some big bets so you can make him out of flush draw.!
 
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the turn card is scary, but heads up ur hand is good most of the time. in a multi-way pot, u should be thinking about checking, but heads up ur ahead too much of the time not to bet for value. Check the river as your can't value bet anymore and it just doesnt make sense to turn your hand into a bluff as heads up top two could be good even with 4 to a suit on board.

I'd be interested to know what his other card was and what happened on the river in terms of betting.
 
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I'll have to agree that a lot more info was needed, next time save the HH for us and post all but the ending for advice on the play. Oddly enough no one mentioned the possible straight on the turn, villian could have held QJ...

Spidey, there is no need of calling anyone "Donks". The donk of the thread is the guy that called big with a 3c, not CCr's that are used to trying to help others even when information is limited.
Hello mate, i just used the word "donk" so that he will not be misguided. But there was no offence in it.I did not use that to describe someone in particular...
 
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the turn card is scary, but heads up ur hand is good most of the time. in a multi-way pot, u should be thinking about checking, but heads up ur ahead too much of the time not to bet for value. Check the river as your can't value bet anymore and it just doesnt make sense to turn your hand into a bluff as heads up top two could be good even with 4 to a suit on board.

I'd be interested to know what his other card was and what happened on the river in terms of betting.

With reads on villain.... why not turn your hand into a bluff on the river?

OP, likely only way you'll win this pot (after having it go south on you) is by representing the flush, so why not fire again here on the river.
 
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It doesn't seem like he was just donkin for a flush. If he had 2 clubs, he probably would have gone all-in over the top of your bet when he hit his flush on the turn. Since he just called you he likely only had one club at most. When the river came, I would have made a strong bet. Checking would basically give him the hand regardless of if he has a club or not, since if he were smart he would realize you don't have a club (or at least not a very good one) and would bet big, forcing you to fold. Limping with a weak bet would also give the same impression. The only way to potentially win (unless he has no clubs) would be to bet big and get him to think you have the highest flush. Risky yes, but in terms of winning the hand it would have been your only hope.
 
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Hello mate, i just used the word "donk" so that he will not be misguided. But there was no offence in it.I did not use that to describe someone in particular...

Could be I misread the intent of how the word was used, meant no offense by my post either. Main thing is nobody was offended.

I did think it odd that no one had commented on the Straight potential or that the villain called big with nothing but a 3. Could be he called with Ace 3 but that info wasn't posted which reinforces the need for more information as you requested.

Overall, this villain is the perfect guy to get in a game with because of plays like that but this was a rare hand where he managed to suckout with cards anyone in his right mind would have mucked early.
 
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