bernotas22's Cash Game Journey

bernotas22 · Oct 31, 2013

Im putting my best foot forward now and trying to improve and do my best and become a long term winning cash game player I won't lie and say I am a winning player right now even though I have swings I am not a long term winner which you can probably tell if you are a regular here at CC just looking at my posts and my lack of understanding of the game

Well im starting now from the bottom and am playing on ongame right now cause I got a rakeback deal there Im bankrolled for the micros and looking to move up once I am 100 percent ready to beat the next level, first though I gotta beat the micros

Here are some hands I played, most of them badly most likely but I would like analysis and some honesty I have been humbled before and am ready to accept the criticism

Hand 1:

OnGame - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (UTG): 46.5 BB
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
CO: 67 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 15)
BTN: 95.5 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 5.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
SB: 51 BB (VPIP: 31.25, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
BB: 139 BB (VPIP: 31.25, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:diamond: Q:spade:

Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 2 BB, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (7.5 BB, 3 players) A:spade: J:heart: 6:club:
SB bets 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 6 BB, SB calls 3 BB

Turn: (19.5 BB, 2 players) T:spade:
SB bets 14.5 BB, Hero raises to 38 BB and is all-in, SB calls 23.5 BB

River: (95.5 BB, 2 players) 6:heart:

Hero shows A:diamond: Q:spade: (Two Pair, Aces and Sixes) (Pre 59%, Flop 77%, Turn 89%)
SB shows J:club: K:club: (Two Pair, Jacks and Sixes) (Pre 41%, Flop 23%, Turn 11%)
Hero wins 89.25 BB

Hand 2:

OnGame - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 50 BB
UTG: 62.5 BB
MP: 92.5 BB (VPIP: 16.00, PFR: 4.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
CO: 57.5 BB
BTN: 116 BB
SB: 66.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7:club: 9:club:

fold, fold, CO calls 1 BB, BTN calls 1 BB, SB calls 0.5 BB, Hero checks

Flop: (4 BB, 4 players) 3:heart: 9:spade: 9:diamond:
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: (4 BB, 4 players) 2:heart:
SB checks, Hero bets 1.5 BB, CO raises to 4.5 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 3 BB

River: (13 BB, 2 players) 6:diamond:
Hero checks, CO bets 13 BB, Hero calls 13 BB

Hero shows 7:club: 9:club: (Three of a Kind, Nines) (Pre 67%, Flop 93%, Turn 82%)
CO shows 5:heart: 7:heart: (One Pair, Nines) (Pre 33%, Flop 7%, Turn 18%)
Hero wins 36.5 BB

Hand 3:

OnGame - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 87.75 BB
SB: 99 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
BB: 68.5 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 18)
UTG: 95.5 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 30)
CO: 141.5 BB (VPIP: 36.84, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K:diamond: K:heart:

fold, CO raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 13.5 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 10.5 BB

Flop: (28.5 BB, 2 players) 3:club: 8:heart: 6:club:
CO checks, Hero bets 74.25 BB and is all-in, CO calls 74.25 BB

Turn: (177 BB, 2 players) 6:spade:

River: (177 BB, 2 players) 7:heart:

Hero shows K:diamond: K:heart: (Two Pair, Kings and Sixes) (Pre 81%, Flop 86%, Turn 95%)
CO shows T:heart: T:club: (Two Pair, Tens and Sixes) (Pre 19%, Flop 14%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins 165.25 BB

These are all winning hands for me but I will also post losing one's in the future

micromachine · Oct 31, 2013

Why are you buying in for 50bb?

H1) Fine. TPGK vs a likely donk with 50bb ESS, get it in.

H2) Raise the river. 50bb stacks again and you've got trips. If you're going to play short you need to be happy to get it in with 2pair+ nearly every time. On the river; you've shown weakness and villain is potting (looks like bs) on a board with a missed FD, probably not much value to be had but I would click it back and hope he has a pair he can call with.

H3) Your 3bet is massive, I would make it a bit smaller like 9-12bb. Shoving the flop with over pairs isn't great, you make loads of hands fold so lose value and when you do get called you're often behind. Do a 80-90& PSB imo.

HooDooKoo · Oct 31, 2013

micromachine said:
Why are you buying in for 50bb?

H1) Fine. TPGK vs a likely donk with 50bb ESS, get it in.

H2) Raise the river. 50bb stacks again and you've got trips. If you're going to play short you need to be happy to get it in with 2pair+ nearly every time. On the river; you've shown weakness and villain is potting (looks like bs) on a board with a missed FD, probably not much value to be had but I would click it back and hope he has a pair he can call with.

H3) Your 3bet is massive, I would make it a bit smaller like 9-12bb. Shoving the flop with over pairs isn't great, you make loads of hands fold so lose value and when you do get called you're often behind. Do a 80-90& PSB imo.

1. I agree with micro here except on the flop, where I don't like your min raise. I would raise more, likely to 9 bbs.

2. I completely agree with micro here. You need to raise the river.

3. Once again, I completely agree with micro here. Your preflop re-raise is too big (I like micros' recommended 3-bet size). More importantly, I hate the flop shove with the overpair. As micro said, you fold out too many potential value extraction hands and, when called, you're crushed too often.

Good job admitting you aren't a winning player (most of us aren't), and posting hands for analysis. There may be hope for you yet ...

-HooDooKoo

jackaoliver · Oct 31, 2013

Buy in for 100bb always, lets you play poker

bernotas22 · Oct 31, 2013

Why are you buying in for 50bb?

This is mostly because I am more comfortable with short stacking in a sense for the moment I just play better this way, Maybe for higher stakes this would be different or maybe I should learn to play deeper stacked regardless

Here is a hand I lost, played badly from start to finish I think I should of bet bigger earlier and folded to a raise then! his bet at the end only made me hope he had weaker trips or weaker kicker with trip queens?

OnGame - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 41.75 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
MP: 123.25 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
Hero (CO): 54.25 BB
BTN: 274 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 7)
SB: 99 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 9)
BB: 55.5 BB (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, MP posts DB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has Q:heart: J:club:

UTG calls 1 BB, MP raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB, BTN calls 2 BB, fold, BB calls 1 BB, UTG calls 1 BB

Flop: (10.5 BB, 5 players) Q:spade: 6:heart: Q:club:
BB bets 1 BB, fold, MP calls 1 BB, Hero calls 1 BB, BTN calls 1 BB

Turn: (14.5 BB, 4 players) T:heart:
BB bets 2.5 BB, MP calls 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 5 BB, BTN calls 5 BB, BB calls 2.5 BB, MP calls 2.5 BB

River: (34.5 BB, 4 players) 2:club:
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets 17.5 BB, BTN raises to 87 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 28.75 BB and is all-in

BTN shows T:club: Q:diamond: (Full House, Queens full of Tens)
BTN wins 118.75 BB

BluffMeAllIn · Oct 31, 2013

I think if your going to decide to play the QJ into the flop after MP raised (although only min) I would be more inclined to reraise pre and get out some of the weaker hands (QT certainly being one that should go away).

I would definitely be raising the flop to continue agression with now a strongly flopped hand, granted if the QT is still in at this point they are not going away and I think from this point the hand is likely to play out the same in the end as it did.

With the flop that fell only way you were winning this hand was if the QT had folded pre IMO, which could certainly have happened with a reraise of the MP. It couldn't have turned out worse, if MP reraised or shoved you fold, if everyone folded you took a small pot with a QJo.

Mr Sandbag · Oct 31, 2013

bernotas22 said:
Im putting my best foot forward now and trying to improve and do my best and become a long term winning cash game player I won't lie and say I am a winning player right now even though I have swings I am not a long term winner which you can probably tell if you are a regular here at CC just looking at my posts and my lack of understanding of the game

Well im starting now from the bottom and am playing on ongame right now cause I got a rakeback deal there Im bankrolled for the micros and looking to move up once I am 100 percent ready to beat the next level, first though I gotta beat the micros

Here are some hands I played, most of them badly most likely but I would like analysis and some honesty I have been humbled before and am ready to accept the criticism

Hand 1:

OnGame - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (UTG): 46.5 BB
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
CO: 67 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 15)
BTN: 95.5 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 5.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
SB: 51 BB (VPIP: 31.25, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
BB: 139 BB (VPIP: 31.25, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♦ Q♠

Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 2 BB, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (7.5 BB, 3 players) A♠ J♥ 6♣
SB bets 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 6 BB, SB calls 3 BB

Turn: (19.5 BB, 2 players) T♠
SB bets 14.5 BB, Hero raises to 38 BB and is all-in, SB calls 23.5 BB

River: (95.5 BB, 2 players) 6♥

Hero shows A♦ Q♠ (Two Pair, Aces and Sixes) (Pre 59%, Flop 77%, Turn 89%)
SB shows J♣ K♣ (Two Pair, Jacks and Sixes) (Pre 41%, Flop 23%, Turn 11%)
Hero wins 89.25 BB

Hand 2:

OnGame - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 50 BB
UTG: 62.5 BB
MP: 92.5 BB (VPIP: 16.00, PFR: 4.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
CO: 57.5 BB
BTN: 116 BB
SB: 66.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7♣ 9♣

fold, fold, CO calls 1 BB, BTN calls 1 BB, SB calls 0.5 BB, Hero checks

Flop: (4 BB, 4 players) 3♥ 9♠ 9♦
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: (4 BB, 4 players) 2♥
SB checks, Hero bets 1.5 BB, CO raises to 4.5 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 3 BB

River: (13 BB, 2 players) 6♦
Hero checks, CO bets 13 BB, Hero calls 13 BB

Hero shows 7♣ 9♣ (Three of a Kind, Nines) (Pre 67%, Flop 93%, Turn 82%)
CO shows 5♥ 7♥ (One Pair, Nines) (Pre 33%, Flop 7%, Turn 18%)
Hero wins 36.5 BB

Hand 3:

OnGame - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 87.75 BB
SB: 99 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
BB: 68.5 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 18)
UTG: 95.5 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 30)
CO: 141.5 BB (VPIP: 36.84, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♦ K♥

fold, CO raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 13.5 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 10.5 BB

Flop: (28.5 BB, 2 players) 3♣ 8♥ 6♣
CO checks, Hero bets 74.25 BB and is all-in, CO calls 74.25 BB

Turn: (177 BB, 2 players) 6♠

River: (177 BB, 2 players) 7♥

Hero shows K♦ K♥ (Two Pair, Kings and Sixes) (Pre 81%, Flop 86%, Turn 95%)
CO shows T♥ T♣ (Two Pair, Tens and Sixes) (Pre 19%, Flop 14%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins 165.25 BB

These are all winning hands for me but I will also post losing one's in the future

Hand 1: You played it well. Flop raise should be larger, maybe 3x his bet. Result is the same, though.

Hand 2: 3-bet turn with the intention of 5-bet shoving to a 4-bet. As played, bet the river. Checking gives weaker hands a chance to show down cheaply. A bet of about 7-8 BB's should do it.

Hand 3: Raise less preflop, maybe 3x his bet. Don't shove the flop. Bet about 65%-75% of the pot instead and shove turn.

bernotas22 said:
Why are you buying in for 50bb?

This is mostly because I am more comfortable with short stacking in a sense for the moment I just play better this way, Maybe for higher stakes this would be different or maybe I should learn to play deeper stacked regardless

Here is a hand I lost, played badly from start to finish I think I should of bet bigger earlier and folded to a raise then! his bet at the end only made me hope he had weaker trips or weaker kicker with trip queens?

OnGame - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 41.75 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
MP: 123.25 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
Hero (CO): 54.25 BB
BTN: 274 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 7)
SB: 99 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 9)
BB: 55.5 BB (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, MP posts DB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has Q♥ J♣

UTG calls 1 BB, MP raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB, BTN calls 2 BB, fold, BB calls 1 BB, UTG calls 1 BB

Flop: (10.5 BB, 5 players) Q♠ 6♥ Q♣
BB bets 1 BB, fold, MP calls 1 BB, Hero calls 1 BB, BTN calls 1 BB

Turn: (14.5 BB, 4 players) T♥
BB bets 2.5 BB, MP calls 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 5 BB, BTN calls 5 BB, BB calls 2.5 BB, MP calls 2.5 BB

River: (34.5 BB, 4 players) 2♣
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets 17.5 BB, BTN raises to 87 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 28.75 BB and is all-in

BTN shows T♣ Q♦ (Full House, Queens full of Tens)
BTN wins 118.75 BB

I don't hate slow playing this flop if the BB bets larger, but you should raise his min-bet to about 75% of the pot. Min-bets are almost 100% weak and should be punished. He probably isn't going to be contributing too much money to the pot anyway, so there is no point in keeping a mediocre hand around.

Regardless, you can't really get away from this hand at any point and neither can the button. Just a cooler.

Sub!

bernotas22 · Oct 31, 2013

BluffMeAllIn said:
I think if your going to decide to play the QJ into the flop after MP raised (although only min) I would be more inclined to reraise pre and get out some of the weaker hands (QT certainly being one that should go away).

I would definitely be raising the flop to continue agression with now a strongly flopped hand, granted if the QT is still in at this point they are not going away and I think from this point the hand is likely to play out the same in the end as it did.

With the flop that fell only way you were winning this hand was if the QT had folded pre IMO, which could certainly have happened with a reraise of the MP. It couldn't have turned out worse, if MP reraised or shoved you fold, if everyone folded you took a small pot with a QJo.

Wow thanks good advice, I need to have a good solid pre flop range that I develop and QJ is certainly a hand that I can raise enough to get weaker hands out of the way but on the other hand I can't be calling huge bets pre with it, Basically there wasn't much value your saying with how I played it and it leads to me not knowing where I am in the hand where if I had I could of gotten true max value out of the flop

bernotas22 · Nov 1, 2013

I wanna post my graph so far even though it's a very small amount of hands I want to hear any thoughts anyways about it, Couple of big fish regs with players with about 1k hands and losing amounts like -$70 with -15/100bb and worse stats etc. So the competition definitely is soft, I have been playing a very Tag style although I do like to isolate fish with marginal hands at times but this does tend to work out in the long term if you understand the ranges and situations the fish will be willing to shove with, I am still buying in with 50bb mostly but depending on the game will buy in with the full stack as well, Been reading the strategy section available on CC and it is helpful
Here's my graph:

Here is my playing poorly into a 3 way pot

OnGame - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 61.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
UTG: 127.5 BB (VPIP: 52.94, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
MP: 28 BB (VPIP: 44.44, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
CO: 87.5 BB (VPIP: 68.75, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
BTN: 75.25 BB (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
Hero (SB): 49.25 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q:spade: J:spade:

fold, MP calls 1 BB, fold, BTN calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, MP calls 1.5 BB, BTN calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (8.5 BB, 3 players) 2:diamond: Q:diamond: 6:heart:
Hero checks, MP checks, BTN bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB, MP calls 4 BB

Turn: (20.5 BB, 3 players) 5:heart:
Hero bets 6 BB, MP calls 6 BB, BTN raises to 68.75 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 36.75 BB and is all-in, MP calls 15.5 BB and is all-in

River: (127.5 BB, 3 players) 7:diamond:

MP shows 9:diamond: 6:diamond: (Flush, Queen High) (Pre 28%, Flop 48%, Turn 26%)
BTN shows 6:spade: 5:spade: (Two Pair, Sixes and Fives) (Pre 19%, Flop 7%, Turn 57%)
Hero shows Q:spade: J:spade: (One Pair, Queens) (Pre 53%, Flop 45%, Turn 17%)
MP wins 79.5 BB
BTN wins 39.75 BB

Here I do my best to get value out of KK

OnGame - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (UTG): 59.75 BB
MP: 105 BB (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 18)
CO: 179.25 BB (VPIP: 23.81, PFR: 4.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
BTN: 56.25 BB (VPIP: 29.03, PFR: 12.90, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
SB: 26 BB (VPIP: 19.05, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
BB: 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K:spade: K:heart:

Hero raises to 4 BB, MP calls 4 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (9.5 BB, 2 players) T:club: 9:spade: Q:heart:
Hero bets 7 BB, MP calls 7 BB

Turn: (23.5 BB, 2 players) 2:heart:
Hero bets 17.5 BB, MP raises to 94 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 31.25 BB and is all-in

River: (121 BB, 2 players) J:club:

Hero shows K:spade: K:heart: (Straight, King High) (Pre 83%, Flop 67%, Turn 82%)
MP shows J:spade: Q:spade: (Two Pair, Queens and Jacks) (Pre 17%, Flop 33%, Turn 18%)
Hero wins 113 BB

And here is some of that short stack strategy that is probably not smart in the long run but here it is

OnGame - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 36.5 BB
BB: 99 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
UTG: 72.75 BB (VPIP: 15.79, PFR: 5.26, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
CO: 65.75 BB (VPIP: 26.32, PFR: 5.26, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
BTN: 54.5 BB (VPIP: 64.71, PFR: 35.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J:spade: 9:spade:

fold, CO calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, CO calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 5:heart: T:diamond: Q:heart:
Hero bets 5 BB, CO calls 5 BB

Turn: (16 BB, 2 players) K:heart:
Hero bets 7 BB, CO calls 7 BB

River: (30 BB, 2 players) 6:spade:
Hero bets 22 BB and is all-in, CO calls 22 BB

Hero shows J:spade: 9:spade: (Straight, King High)
Hero wins 69.25 BB

micromachine · Nov 1, 2013

Nothing can be said about a graph of 600 hands

QJs hand - You butchered that, turn is an easy fold

Other two look pretty standard except your pre flop raise for the J9s hand is too small if you are raising to isolate the limper.

bernotas22 · Nov 1, 2013

im amazed at how some players can drop 20k on micro cash games like what's up with that?
http://www.pokertableratings.com/ongame-player-search/herbert575
these are the type of players you can really tighten up on and get value and the thing is though they will bluff on the river with absolute ace high and you can call them off with 2nd pair and win big bots, well that's the read I got on this guy after playing a lot of hands but still can someone explain how people lose this much in the micros? while playing 70k plus hands??? Stars and the other sites don't really offer the cash game results to the public from what I know but clearly OnGame has some crazy fish but also good players as well, I would love be able to see the public results of cash games on all sites

Mr Sandbag · Nov 1, 2013

HAND 1 (QsJs):

Preflop - I'm not a fan of the raise from the SB. You will be out of position with a medium hand regardless of who calls you.

Flop - You hit top pair, so bet it. The flop is rarely going to be better than that for QJ, but it is far from a "safe" flop. Bet and get the money in now instead of risking a check around and a free turn card for villains.

Turn - I hardly ever like the donk bet, and this is no different. It doesn't make sense in the context of the flop action and you have almost no fold equity with this betting line. As played, fold to the shove. BTN has a made hand and wants to protect. He doesn't shove with one pair on such a wet board.

HAND 2 (KsKh):

Well played!

HAND 3 (Js9s):

Shove turn. Or bet ~12BB and put the rest in on the river. You're getting little value from your straight with such a small bet on the turn and there is no guarantee he is calling a bet on the river. If you opt to bet ~12BB on the turn, just know you are shoving the river regardless of the card that falls.

Cafeman · Nov 1, 2013

IMO you probably ought to start playing 100bb poker now, unless your long term goal is to SS higher up too. Anyhoo, subbed

Cafeman · Nov 1, 2013

bernotas22 said:
http://www.pokertableratings.com/ongame-player-search/herbert575

Wow, just wow.

bernotas22 · Nov 2, 2013

Just a thought on the competition here guys, the fact is that I now see that there regs here at the micros on OnGame now sure there is the fish every now and then but the combination of low traffic and tough regs aren't making this easy, I wonder if on a bigger pool of players like on Stars that the competition would be softer, well anyways I have almost cleared a bonus for $5 so that will help and if I keep going I can earn up to $100 this being my first release, but my winrate is not amazing, gotta check all the leaks I have and fix them and hopefully I won't just be beating the fish but also the regs later on, gonna post a graph and hands when I put in a couple more thousand hands, but literally the low traffic combined with regs isn't making it easy on me being new there and learning at the same time

spsb83 · Nov 2, 2013

Its good to see you that you are tying to improve and I hope your game keeps improving.

My 10 cents worth.

1.You need to be buying in for 100bb and with auto top up on (if possible) your restricting your so play so much.

2. I know this is micro but scanning your hands just be wary of your bet sizing.

-If your going to raise a limper/s oop make it more than 2.5x you will be playing the hand oop and often with a marginal hand.

-I know your utg but you 4x KK's pre and then seem to 2.5x everything you raise. Your 3bet with kings is far too big but that has been previously mentioned. Just watch your not raising more pre with monsters.

-On your first hand with AQ, I don't like the min raise on the flop. Min raises scream strength and also the small blind called pre and then donked for less than half pot. How strong can they be in this spot we have the best hand 90% of the time here. I would raise more for value as they have so many hands that want to call and we crush. Then get it all in on the turn.

Good luck I'm sure you'll be crushing in no time. Please Buy in for 100bb

bernotas22 · Nov 2, 2013

Well im broke, probably shouldn't have only deposited 8 bucks to play 4NL, This is why I was short-stacking the whole time, Im busto now but I might get the $5 bonus cause I most likely cleared the bonus today but will find out tomorrow also there's a lot of freerolls and I may be able to rebuild my roll I was taking too many high variance flips, gave it my best shot but can't really do much with such a small roll, also noticed that the players with huge profits where playing hundreds of thousands of hands and to be honest not even winning in the micros but in the low-mid stakes games, can't blame anyone other than myself here, Not over though cause there are so much freerolls and the rakeback that I will most likely receive, maybe good I busted I need to study how to play under bankrolled and still manage to profit without just being a rake machine, or maybe being a rake machine isn't bad this guy seems to be doing it correctly http://www.pokertableratings.com/party-player-search/player1

the hand that busted me

OnGame - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 98.5 BB
UTG: 204 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 19.05, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 66)
CO: 151.25 BB (VPIP: 30.32, PFR: 27.81, 3Bet Preflop: 9.30, Hands: 195)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
SB: 9.25 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T:club: T:heart:

fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 98.5 BB and is all-in, CO raises to 151.25 BB and is all-in, SB calls 6.25 BB and is all-in

Flop: (206.25 BB, 3 players) 4:heart: 8:diamond: A:spade:

Turn: (206.25 BB, 3 players) 8:heart:

River: (206.25 BB, 3 players) 3:spade:

Hero shows T:club: T:heart: (Two Pair, Tens and Eights) (Pre 50%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
CO shows K:diamond: A:diamond: (Two Pair, Aces and Eights) (Pre 36%, Flop 74%, Turn 73%)
SB shows A:heart: 5:heart: (Two Pair, Aces and Eights) (Pre 14%, Flop 18%, Turn 23%)
CO wins 26 BB
CO wins 166.75 BB

Cafeman · Nov 2, 2013

Unless villain is a complete aggrotard, you're flipping here AT BEST when he calls. Probs would not have shipped it in as a squeeze tbh.

bernotas22 · Nov 4, 2013

My bankroll was fried but I built it up back to 50 cent territory with freerolls and then went to the casino and won 5+ euros on a .25 cent spin that I won a lot of extra spins off of so that is how I managed to win this amount, Well pretty lucky I guess this is how they drag new players into playing these slot games but it was cool to win by just pressing a button, back to the grind again with my fresh roll and luckily now my bonus $5 will be easily achieved now, will post a graph if I ever manage to put in some crazy amount of volume this time, 5k hands minimum

bernotas22 · Nov 5, 2013

things are moving up, changing my style to more lag and willing to mix things up more, play solid post flop and the winrate is moving much better than with the tag strategy, they say you should play tag and you will be profitable with this but I do believe people are a little better than you give them credit for not that they are that good so playing a lag style is optimal! of course you can always mix it up and tighten up but just being tag at all times will cause you to be break even or struggle to have a good winrate even at 4nl, If im wrong someone please tell me but all im saying is that lag style is more profitable not that tag is not

dmorris68 · Nov 5, 2013

The problem with being too much of a TAG (especially if you lean closer to nit) at the micros is that rake is brutal. You have to play insane volume, usually with the help of rakeback, to beat the rake and earn a profit. OTOH, LAG is hard to pull off profitably because of variance and villains' inability to fold, which just exacerbate the rake problem.

Your goal should be to achieve a positive enough winrate to build the BR to move up to the next level quickly, and repeat. Or just deposit, if you don't want to deal with the hassle. Don't try to be too LAGy or succumb to FPS (fancy play syndrome) at the micros, otherwise variance combined with the rake is going to cream you. Sophisticated play is pointless and expensive against unsophisticated opponents -- keep it simple. Save your LAG style for higher limits where rake isn't quite so brutal and villains actually have a fold button.

Oh, and stay out of the casino with your poker BR.

Just my $0.02...

bernotas22 · Nov 5, 2013

bust again and it's cause i took my roll to the online casino, here's how it went i lost a 3 buck heads up game that i was ahead in then lost cause of a stupid mistake and then go and lose a game cause i disconnected that was maybe 6 bucks, then i just go ape and go to the casino till the money is gone, played through about 500 hands today and all for nothing, i hope i didn't get enough for another 5 buck bonus cause clearly i need a break, and the worse part is that i was doing much better in my cash game results but now im busto once more, more annoyed than anything now should of taken morris advice and stayed away, eh figures were i had like $31 today which is much more than my $8 deposit, funny thing is that the min withdrawal is 20 euros, should have just withdrawn and put it on stars where the software is better more game selection and no casino or other tricks to get in my way, reason i went to casino was more out of frustration than anything, after i lost the money i play the free play of the same game and then i guess out of randomness the 120 play money bet turns into like 30k which is laughable, i understand poker is not rigged but come on these casinos are the scum of the earth! i never gamble in casino in real life but here i make the mistake, we'll I think I will not deposit again I have proved that I may be able to play poker since I was making profit with the rakeback and improvements lately but now see I have other issues to handle

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