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Just wanted some feedback. Just moved back from Lv to my hometown (Boston) and started playing some local cash games. I play a pretty solid game and raked frequently the first few months. Guess that pissed some people off bc when I raise in position now, half if not more of the table calls. Normally this makes me smile but I've seen some bad bad bad beats lately (aa's on straddle in a 1/2 nl raise under the gun to double the straddle of 20 4 callers, re raise to 100, 3 callers. Flop a set, 10-9 wins ones card straight. Or I 3-bet with kks utg, flop is 249, 24 wins with two pair) bc of it. After a month of this I made a change. so now I'm limping on everything but aa and kk, with few exceptions. now I've gotten a rep as a fish when previously I would have raised on 75 percent of the hands I'm calling with. In still winning (but the wins aren't as big) but I don't like this derogatory nickname. I hve always been a post flop player and I'm more comfortable this way anyway but I need to plug this hole in my game. A little additional information: before I started limping, I cbet around 60 percent, I can/have layed down big pocket pairs and I am considered a semi aggressive player. To me this doesn't matter but I'm often told that it's different bc I'm a girl so thought I would throw this on the end. Any suggestions ?
 
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If people are willing to call you with trash, the answer is not to stop raising but to raise larger. When games are really loose and pots are inflated you'll experience some gross swings, but is your goal to reduce variance or to make as much money as you can?
 
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Limping is not the best response to lots of players calling with trash. Raise bigger amounts until you find the tipping point (with very strong/premium hands). Also, just because they are playing trash doesn't mean you should. Your goal is always to get your money in good. This will result in more winnings over the long run. There will always be true "fish" that call with garbage and hit their hands sometimes. But you want them in the pot with their trash and calling the long-shots. They are your best source of income. :)
 
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Very true, Poker247. I agree.
 
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I'm a poker noob and I will start calling someones raises when I have $#*! hands if I've noticed they are raising (seemingly)too often and too big. It makes me think they are just trying to steal blinds by bullying with their raises, or they just overvalue their high cards, so I'm happy to call their bluff with 22 or even k high, if I think that's what's happening. Hope that helps a little.
 
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If people are willing to call you with trash, the answer is not to stop raising but to raise larger. When games are really loose and pots are inflated you'll experience some gross swings, but is your goal to reduce variance or to make as much money as you can?

Mr Sandbag is right.

I'm not an awful player but I have yet for this game to become second nature, but I too get labeled as a fish from peers. Don't let them get you down, just keep plugging away and keep asking for help. Typically those who call others fish are probably in the hole or they're just mean spirited. Ignore any negativity from those on this forum as well. In particular, usernames Aaron Soto and IPlay.
I hope it gets better sister
 
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Mr Sandbag is right.

I'm not an awful player but I have yet for this game to become second nature, but I too get labeled as a fish from peers. Don't let them get you down, just keep plugging away and keep asking for help. Typically those who call others fish are probably in the hole or they're just mean spirited. Ignore any negativity from those on this forum as well. In particular, usernames Aaron Soto and IPlay.
I hope it gets better sister

Can't agree more on this matter, larger raises reduces hand variations sorry for the poor english not my first language
 
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Just wanted some feedback. Just moved back from Lv to my hometown (Boston) and started playing some local cash games. I play a pretty solid game and raked frequently the first few months. Guess that pissed some people off bc when I raise in position now, half if not more of the table calls. Normally this makes me smile but I've seen some bad bad bad beats lately (aa's on straddle in a 1/2 nl raise under the gun to double the straddle of 20 4 callers, re raise to 100, 3 callers. Flop a set, 10-9 wins ones card straight. Or I 3-bet with kks utg, flop is 249, 24 wins with two pair) bc of it. After a month of this I made a change. so now I'm limping on everything but aa and kk, with few exceptions. now I've gotten a rep as a fish when previously I would have raised on 75 percent of the hands I'm calling with. In still winning (but the wins aren't as big) but I don't like this derogatory nickname. I hve always been a post flop player and I'm more comfortable this way anyway but I need to plug this hole in my game. A little additional information: before I started limping, I cbet around 60 percent, I can/have layed down big pocket pairs and I am considered a semi aggressive player. To me this doesn't matter but I'm often told that it's different bc I'm a girl so thought I would throw this on the end. Any suggestions

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I would give SERIOUS consideration to finding somewhere else to play. This is a strange result. I have "burnt out" venues before, after I get a "reputation", and all the regs clear out as soon as my name goes up on the wait board, and they decide that the slots, Craps, roulette, or blackjack tables will give them a better deal than playing with me.

It wouldn't surprise me if these regs who've gotten so sticky so suddenly have a pact among themselves to gang up on you. The more callers, the less likely your non-nutted hands hold up. They split up the rewards, and they punish you for screwing up "their" game. They call you names you don't like, they drive you off with frustration over the increased bad beats, or they break you.

That they've already got you playing their game tells me they've almost succeeded. Doesn't matter how good you are, there's no way you can beat this sort of collusion, and there's nothing you can do about it as there's no evidence, and no need for them to do anything the least bit suspicious at the tables. You can't penalize another player for always calling if they're not doing something like signaling, or marking cards, or card switching. The "eye in the sky" would pick up on that, but not an agreement made outside that they're gonna teach this interloper a lesson by always calling. What happens off the venue is something the cardroom manager can't control.
 
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If people are willing to call you with trash, the answer is not to stop raising but to raise larger.?

This exactly. Being able to play good post flop matters less when the pot is smaller and this happens when as you say are not raising it. You can not exploit peoples mistakes as badly overplaying Axs, midpairs and such.
 
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Ust because they are playing trash doesn't mean you should.Arger raises reduces hand variations
 
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Mr Sandbag is right.

I'm not an awful player but I have yet for this game to become second nature, but I too get labeled as a fish from peers. Don't let them get you down, just keep plugging away and keep asking for help. Typically those who call others fish are probably in the hole or they're just mean spirited. Ignore any negativity from those on this forum as well. In particular, usernames Aaron Soto and IPlay.
I hope it gets better sister

This.
 
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If your taking some bad, bad, bad beats that sounds more to me like variance or just plain bad luck which always happens.

Losing with a set against 10/9 straight is bad luck IMO, but it also has to really do with the board texture. There are some board textures where a set is almost constantly beat or just not worth getting your chips in. Even though it can be nearly impossible to fold a set.

If there is someone calling a large raise with 2-4 and you have KK. You should be happy about that. You are a 5 to 1 favorite if not even more against 2-4.....Occasionally though KK won't hold up and someone will show some bogus hand like that.

I have lost countless times with Aces or Kings at the casino against hands like 6/3 off, Q7 suited, 78 suited, pocket 7's. And these were all in HU situations! Just imagine being stacked off for 200-300$ behind against some stupid hand like that. But I am rarely folding aces when undercards hit the flop.

Here is one thing I noticed about playing Aces or Kings. When you raise heavy UTG or any position and it is HU. Your opponent probably has a good idea you have AA or KK. If he/she is willing to call and then continue after the flop, or even worst, they re-raise you after the flop. That is almost a sure sign your Aces or Kings are cracked at that point. Just nearly impossible to fold at times.
 
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Mr Sandbag is right.

I'm not an awful player but I have yet for this game to become second nature, but I too get labeled as a fish from peers. Don't let them get you down, just keep plugging away and keep asking for help. Typically those who call others fish are probably in the hole or they're just mean spirited.

The only somewhat mean responses I have seen were to Aaron Soto, and that's just because he brings it onto himself.
 
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Just wanted some feedback. Just moved back from Lv to my hometown (Boston) and started playing some local cash games. I play a pretty solid game and raked frequently the first few months. Guess that pissed some people off bc when I raise in position now, half if not more of the table calls. Normally this makes me smile but I've seen some bad bad bad beats lately (aa's on straddle in a 1/2 nl raise under the gun to double the straddle of 20 4 callers, re raise to 100, 3 callers. Flop a set, 10-9 wins ones card straight. Or I 3-bet with kks utg, flop is 249, 24 wins with two pair) bc of it. After a month of this I made a change. so now I'm limping on everything but aa and kk, with few exceptions. now I've gotten a rep as a fish when previously I would have raised on 75 percent of the hands I'm calling with. In still winning (but the wins aren't as big) but I don't like this derogatory nickname. I hve always been a post flop player and I'm more comfortable this way anyway but I need to plug this hole in my game. A little additional information: before I started limping, I cbet around 60 percent, I can/have layed down big pocket pairs and I am considered a semi aggressive player. To me this doesn't matter but I'm often told that it's different bc I'm a girl so thought I would throw this on the end. Any suggestions ?

Bro where is there poker in boston?
 
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If a duck calls you a fish, come on, just play better...
 
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Actually I will like them to think I am a fish.
I on purpose mix the chips and handle them very poorly as if I have never play poker before. I used that strategy in a Cruise to the Bahamas and finished winning the free tip that was the reward. I even asked them to remind me when the blinds were due or if i could show my cards, etc., etc.
On line there is no way that trick will work. :)
 
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