** Bea$t Mode-ON...March Ca$h Game Thread**

WOOHAA!!!!!!!!




The one and only cash game thread where everyone posts their goals, nobody ever reaches them and no one ever questions why.LOL


This month, unlike previous months I'm gonna stick to heads up 50NL on stars and crush souls (that means im gonna lose 20 buy ins minimum).

Goals: - 20Khands and being in the green
- post graphs daily(even if they are embarrassing )
- Try and do alot of sweats with better players to get good


thats it. So lets not forget to sub, you cash players. We got to stay united and exchange opinions about things to keep getting better cause the poker world is evolving fast and we dont wanna be left behind.

Started off this morning , and ran good so im obviously gonna post for show-off reasons and rungood.

Its never easy with these guys.

pokerstars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

Hero (SB) ($68.08)
BB ($138.27)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 10 , 10
Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $6, Hero calls $4.50

Flop: ($12) 7 , 3 , 8 (2 players)
BB bets $7.70, Hero calls $7.70

Turn: ($27.40) K (2 players)
BB bets $17.02, Hero calls $17.02

River: ($61.44) 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $61.44 | Rake: $0.50

Results below:

Tom Dwan would of shipped it pre with 1010


I cringed at this months title

Yes sir. 1010 is a monster hand to Tom Dwan.

Vinyls, what would you have done if he fired the third barrel?

Anyone think that shutting down on the river is weak? I think I would have been one and done with the hand, or unloaded the clip. Our range shouldn't consist of that many monsters, while the 3-bettor can still have AA/KK/AK/88/some 77/A3s. There aren't too many K high hands we are floating with on a dry board, so our range is pretty weak. Mostly some pair of eights, 99-JJ, and some combos of QQ. Of course we might be slowplaying a monster, but we don't have that many. Especially because the 3-bettor blocks 77 and 87s.

MinhANguyen said:

Vinyls, what would you have done if he fired the third barrel?

Anyone think that shutting down on the river is weak? I think I would have been one and done with the hand, or unloaded the clip. Our range shouldn't consist of that many monsters, while the 3-bettor can still have AA/KK/AK/88. There aren't too many K high hands we are floating with on a dry board, so our range is pretty much weak.

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Snap call because all draws possible missed, top two on the flop got counterfeited and we are really only crushed by KJs/KQ/AK/88/77/overpairs and we only have a half PSB behind. I also think this is a 4 bet pre so our range is under repped at this point.

Turn bet is odd though and its hard to say what his intentions were but he can get some value with this bet. Does he make any better hand fold? Is 8x folding to a double barrel heads up? I kind of doubt it so I'm going to say he was betting turn for value and to not give free cards and checked river hoping for a cheap showdown.

The more interesting question is what would villain do if you shove river? Can hero shove river for value?

He actually has a little over 1/2PSB shove on the river, but that's not that important. If I were going to unload the clip, I'd have size the turn and possibly flop a little smaller to make the river shove more effective.

Only draws that missed are 109s and some BDFD. I think there are much more value hands Villains can have than bluffs when they 3-barrel, so I don't think snapping it off without reads is going to be profitable long-term. Generally, people also 3-barrel very rarely, although I'm not sure about headsup. And not many Villains are capable of turning hands into bluffs. They usually just check behind their SDV hands.

At this point, it's unlikely Villain has JJ-QQ, strong kings, or any nutted hands. You could shove river for thin value because they might put us on a missed draw, and we likely have the best hand. We might get looked up here with A high and by any pair because Villain thinks we should be polarized. We don't have that many nutted hands or strong Kings here. I think checking back is okay too.

MinhANguyen said:

Only draws that missed are 109s and some BDFD. I think there are much more value hands Villains can have than bluffs when they 3-barrel, so I don't think snapping it off without reads is going to be profitable long-term. Generally, people also 3-barrel very rarely, although I'm not sure about headsup. And not many Villains are capable of turning hands into bluffs. They usually just check behind their SDV hands.

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In heads up I think bluff ranges consist of more then missed draws. I think we can actually put missed overs in there too such as AJ+ along with missed BDFD and 109s which gives us ~50% equity against that range and we only need 27% to call a river shove.

I don't play heads up, especially on Stars so I'm just speculating. I could be overestimating the level of aggression that goes on. I assume 50NL heads up zoom on Stars is pretty aggressive though.

MinhANguyen said:

Vinyls, what would you have done if he fired the third barrel?

Anyone think that shutting down on the river is weak? I think I would have been one and done with the hand, or unloaded the clip. Our range shouldn't consist of that many monsters, while the 3-bettor can still have AA/KK/AK/88/some 77/A3s. There aren't too many K high hands we are floating with on a dry board, so our range is pretty weak. Mostly some pair of eights, 99-JJ, and some combos of QQ. Of course we might be slowplaying a monster, but we don't have that many. Especially because the 3-bettor blocks 77 and 87s.

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If he fires third barrel,i think i have to sign fold. Gonna take a quick peak at his stats before making any decisions but his line is pretty strong.

The key point in this hand was the speed in which he acted which seemed like he wasnt thinking through it much and jus wanted me to fold. Also his turn sizing seemed a bit too large for such a nutted hand. Like if he ever has KK/AA/AK i think some might check turn to induce or at least bet smaller,esp heads up.

He came off as he was looking for folds instead of a call so i thought i might be good since some of the time he has AQ/AJ/AT and some of the time he has complete air. 3 bet percentages of over 20%(which i think he had) generally tell me that they could have 45 suited for all i know and played it just the same.


I called turn IN position cause i know that after that call he cant unload the clip empty on the river.


I never see any reason to bet river since Kings are really part of his range as is AA and AK which are all obviously calling.


Some can argue that i can get him off QQ and JJ but i decided to just check behind and hope he didnt have much.

If he 3 bets that much, why not 4 bet 1010?

IPlay said:

If he 3 bets that much, why not 4 bet 1010?

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Cause i dont wanna turn my hand into a bluff and have to call off my stack with this hand. I wanna flat it In position and take it from there.

vinylspiros said:

Cause i dont wanna turn my hand into a bluff and have to call off my stack with this hand. I wanna flat it In position and take it from there.

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Huh? I think we can easily 4 bet 1010 for value vs a 20%+ 3 bet range

IPlay said:

Huh? I think we can easily 4 bet 1010 for value vs a 20%+ 3 bet range

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But we fold out all his bluffs and get stacked by his nutted hands. Does that make sense? We want to get paid not end it pre. Right?

vinylspiros said:

But we fold out all his bluffs and get stacked by his nutted hands. Does that make sense? We want to get paid not end it pre. Right?

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Shouldn't he shove AQs/AK as bluffs along with 1010+ for value? When we are this deep and we 4 bet shouldn't he flat some speculatives?

I agree with your logic in a standard 6 max game or if villain had a 3bet% >10 but heads up vs an aggressive 3 bettor I think we need to adjust.

IPlay said:

Shouldn't he shove AQs/AK as bluffs along with 1010+ for value? When we are this deep and we 4 bet shouldn't he flat some speculatives?

I agree with your logic in a standard 6 max game or if villain had a 3bet% >10 but heads up vs an aggressive 3 bettor I think we need to adjust.

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Sure man. I get your point.Of course we need to adjust i got plays that i can post where i 5 bet 72 off just cause i knew i could get a fold and i did.

Point of the matter is that i opened tens then flatted a 3bet.

Sure i could have 4bet but in this particular hand i decided to flat and see a flop and take it from there.


Good points though Iplay.

whats up with you? u playing cash ? what limits?

And again. u mention in your post above that we need to adjust against an aggressive 3 bettor. What do you mean? How does 4 betting tens make things better for us?


Do we want to 4bet them and call off? Just cause he has a high 3bet percentage?

Or do we want to 4bet and make him fold all his bluffs ,hence lose value postflop, on boards that are favorable for us?


Cause if im 4betting to call off cause i think he might have AQ, thats just not how i roll. I like my postflop game and preffer to see flops than to GII pre with hands that,"might" be ahead of someones stacking off range.

Im trying to avoid variance.(as much as i could at least)

One final note. LOOK at his 3 bet sizing. Thats massive. Its pretty clear that with a sizing like that he looks more likely to Go all in ,than if he made it something like 4-5 which would be the norm. 6 Smells like Nuts or air. And if its either i dont wanna be putting in any more bets . It just doesnt make sense to me.

Went on a pretty bad down swing and withdrew my last bit of $$$ and am taking a break atm to focus on other things in life. Just going to play live here and there and will probably play online(and continue my thread) in the near future.

Think I'm going to focus on a live roll though because when it comes down to it I can make 15-20 an hour in soft live games pretty stress free. While online I would need to crush 100NL to get close to that win rate here in America.

In my line of thinking, if he is 3 betting that much he has to call 4 bets a little wider and 5 bet shove wider or he can be abused by 4 bets. If you want to avoid variance, shouldn't you avoid heads up games?

IPlay said:

Went on a pretty bad down swing and withdrew my last bit of $$$ and am taking a break atm to focus on other things in life. Just going to play live here and there and will probably play online(and continue my thread) in the near future.

Think I'm going to focus on a live roll though because when it comes down to it I can make 15-20 an hour in soft live games pretty stress free. While online I would need to crush 100NL to get close to that win rate here in America.

In my line of thinking, if he is 3 betting that much he has to call 4 bets a little wider and 5 bet shove wider or he can be abused by 4 bets. If you want to avoid variance, shouldn't you avoid heads up games?

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haha. you got me there man

Unlucky on the downswing man. been there done that a million times. And when im on a downswing i make sure to tilt and spew off the maximum amount after it to make sure i go busto.lol


Good thing u cashed out your remaining funds. It always can get alot worse.


Anyhow. thanks for posting and ill be following ur thread as well.

Nobody posted ANY march goals except for me.

Lord this is depressing.lol.

My goal, 2 winning live sessions this month. Lol

I also need to focus on my live game because I just moved to Iowa and 2 land casinos within 20 minutes of me are opening this summer sooooo I am hoping the poker games get juicy for a while and they have some good competing promotions.

In. Goal is 150 hours of live play. Already have 7!

vinylspiros said:

Nobody posted ANY march goals except for me.

Lord this is depressing.lol.

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Hehe, I posted mine in my cash grind thread.

I'll repeat them:

March goals

- Turn my freeroll 7.65$ into 20+$ with the CC freerolls
- Make the final 5 in a CC freeroll
- 20K 6-max NL cash hands
- Get my NL cash numbers back in the green

Begin learning how to defend from the blinds better and take my first shot at 10nl by the end of the month. I think I'll be fine with this on 888, but time will tell.

IPlay said:

My goal, 2 winning live sessions this month. Lol

I also need to focus on my live game because I just moved to Iowa and 2 land casinos within 20 minutes of me are opening this summer sooooo I am hoping the poker games get juicy for a while and they have some good competing promotions.

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what about online goals?