Average Stats HU %%%%

Ok I am trying to figure out what a players Stats should be when playing HU.
I am talking about an ABC player, bets what he hits, calls with his draws, folds with nothing. Becuase an ABC player will have true stats on what you should be around when playing HU.

Allow me to explain, in poker when we HIT our hand we do certain things, and when we miss we do certain things. As we all know everyone misses the flop 2/3 of the time. With this info. alone we can start to figure out what a players hand looks like.

Now what I am trying to do is figure out the frequencey a play SHOULD be doing something statisticly.

How often do players 3B
How often do players 4B
How often do players C-bet the Flop with something?
How often do players Fold to Cbets?
How often do players check Raise the flop? ( assuming they are slow playing top pair or they floped a nice draw or 2 pair )
How often do players Cbet-turn?
How often do players Fold turn Cbets?
How often should a player be stealing pots HU?
How often does a player Bet in Position?
How often does a player bet OOP?

How often do we have a draw? How often do we flop mid pair? Bottom Pair?

If anyone knows a fourm that already has all this, please feel free to guide me to it.

I think this is a lot all at once and of course we never know how a player is playing until we have roughly 100 hands on them, but i am trying to figure out in general what a player that is not Bluffing stats would look like.

Or if anyone plays HU with a HUD already and would not mind helping me set up mine I would appreciate that as well

Don't have PT3 at the moment ( Don't understand how it wants me to pay) so I would give you my exact stats but can't at the moment.

Also your a cash game player aren't you? All my hands are SnG which I'll presume are the same play in early levels.

Hard to answers questions exactly as well because there is a massive variation even in an ABC poker player. Obviously we rarely have enough hands to have a converging 4-bet frequency for.

Also if you do look at somebodies stats most don't go to showdown (last time I checked I didn't even have 20% going to showdown) so it's impossible to say how villians play certain hands.

I think your questions even if someone has a numerical answer to every single one will help very little with your play.

You're putting too much emphasis on your opponents stats. You're new to HU so I'd suggest just playing one or two tables and learning how to adjust to different opponents. Learn who to value bet A high against and who to call down light. You dont need stats for this.

I dont now if you use HEM or PT3 but stats for your HUD that I would start with for HU would be.

Some sort of raise from the BU stat.
VPIP from the BB.
3 bet PF.
Fold to 3bet.
Fold to Cbet.
Fold to Cbet in a 3bet pot.
C/r flop.
C/r turn.
AFq%.

Notes are important too as you will be playing more hands vs the same player and can get an idea how they are playing quicker. You might not see them again but if you do the note is far more valuable than some stat will ever be. Like BN said a 4 bet stat can take a long time to converge but a note on what they will stack of with pre flop with 100bbs is invaluable.

brank said:

You're putting too much emphasis on your opponents stats. You're new to HU so I'd suggest just playing one or two tables and learning how to adjust to different opponents. Learn who to value bet A high against and who to call down light. You dont need stats for this.

I dont now if you use HEM or PT3 but stats for your HUD that I would start with for HU would be.

Some sort of raise from the BU stat.
VPIP from the BB.
3 bet PF.
Fold to 3bet.
Fold to Cbet.
Fold to Cbet in a 3bet pot.
C/r flop.
C/r turn.
AFq%.

Notes are important too as you will be playing more hands vs the same player and can get an idea how they are playing quicker. You might not see them again but if you do the note is far more valuable than some stat will ever be. Like BN said a 4 bet stat can take a long time to converge but a note on what they will stack of with pre flop with 100bbs is invaluable.

Click to expand...

Well i just saw a video from a pro player and I am just trying to mimic his HUD as much as possible so I can apply it to myself. I am trying to understand it as much as possible, and I still actually play my own game, but HUDs especially HU can tell a TON more than they are given credit for. I am on a journey to figure this out

Don't forget pros play higher stakes so are against a limited player pool where HUD stats become alot more valuable as numbers start to become significant.

BlueNowhere said:

Don't forget pros play higher stakes so are against a limited player pool where HUD stats become alot more valuable as numbers start to become significant.

Click to expand...

His class is for small stakes, I paly micro right now and know the 2 stakes are different, however If I can apply his HUD to my game, and utilize it well, I know I can apply the same thing.

Small stakes and Micro have some things in common. Of course not all but some.

is it holdem, omaha ??
cash ,or sng...??

..let me know so i can help you in this
I do both cash and SNG heads up

hear is my hud for my HU matches
small blind/ big blind / pre-flop raise/ aggress. factor
3-bet %/ fold to 3bet % / 4bet % / Check raise %
Aggress. on flop / Aggress on turn / aggress on river
Cbet on flop/ Cbet on turn / cbet on river
folded to c-bet on flop / folded to c-bet on turn / folded c-bet on river
Win money on flop/ When to showdown / Won money at showdown
and notes

Dreams of Tragedy said:

hear is my hud for my HU matches

Click to expand...

It is 1/2 NL cash games THANKS FOR THE HUD!!!

darkassassin89 said:

His class is for small stakes, I paly micro right now and know the 2 stakes are different, however If I can apply his HUD to my game, and utilize it well, I know I can apply the same thing.

Small stakes and Micro have some things in common. Of course not all but some.

Click to expand...

Not really sure what site you play at but if player pool is big there just isn't any need. Unless your multitabling and not payng attention you should know how often they enter a pot, how often they 3-bet etc etc. I actually think HUDs make me play worse HU against unknown due to making presumptions from stats that haven't yet converged. It's much more reliable and improves play massivelt if you make notes of what went to SD, how they played it, what they bet and stuf like that. You start to see patterns in bet sizing and can start to exploit every single one. Some players I've noted like to donk out with nothing so I just raise. They like to call button to light so I bet slightly bigger. It's little things like that which are massively +ev. HUD is only marginally + EV even if used well. I paly at pokerstars so I rarely have more than one game against someone. If you play at a smaller site where you bump into the same people then it may be worth setting it up and paying attention to it.

BlueNowhere said:

Not really sure what site you play at but if player pool is big there just isn't any need. Unless your multitabling and not payng attention you should know how often they enter a pot, how often they 3-bet etc etc. I actually think HUDs make me play worse HU against unknown due to making presumptions from stats that haven't yet converged. It's much more reliable and improves play massivelt if you make notes of what went to SD, how they played it, what they bet and stuf like that. You start to see patterns in bet sizing and can start to exploit every single one. Some players I've noted like to donk out with nothing so I just raise. They like to call button to light so I bet slightly bigger. It's little things like that which are massively +ev. HUD is only marginally + EV even if used well. I paly at pokerstars so I rarely have more than one game against someone. If you play at a smaller site where you bump into the same people then it may be worth setting it up and paying attention to it.

Click to expand...

Yea i play a smaller site and am seeing the same regs more often
And I am focusing just on HU cash games nothing more ( minted poker )

darkassassin89 said:

It is 1/2 NL cash games THANKS FOR THE HUD!!!

Click to expand...

this was a .01/.02 heads up cash on poker view about a year ago

So thats what you were doing a year ago? Were are you now

darkassassin89 said:

So thats what you were doing a year ago? Were are you now

Click to expand...

cash out from the site due to there move to merge..
so now i am at everleaf and starting from nothing from there.

Nice me too, i play minted poker

Crushing the HU Today

darkassassin89 said:

Nice me too, i play minted poker

Crushing the HU Today

Click to expand...

hmm never hear of them before. do they take US players
edit , there apart of the everleaf network right

Yea they are everleaf. The HU games are nitty, or SUPER hyper agressive. So ajust and take it down.

Lost 3$ to a tight passive player.... I would bet he called me down with anything to the river. Had him crushed till the river a few times

darkassassin89 said:

Yea they are everleaf. The HU games are nitty, or SUPER hyper agressive. So ajust and take it down.

Lost 3$ to a tight passive player.... I would bet he called me down with anything to the river. Had him crushed till the river a few times

Click to expand...

man that mean i can not play there due to me playing at there main site on everleaf...but i do love the site...there alot of fish there on the micro stages, but i notice a change there on the holdem talble that the fish are getting lucky there...but i PLO HU instead of holdem now..lol and it even out the varance with me.

I only currently do the SNG but still trying to get a better bankroll for me to start with the cash HU games again...i do miss them every much..lol

I ran quite horrible. ran into 3 sets with trips 3 times, I ran into 2 river boats when I had rivered flushes. Then I got my KK cracked. lol I was down to my LAST BI i doubled and then took all my money backfrom the donk.... sadly my BR is a little down

If you got trips your opponent can't have a set, that would be a full house.

I had AT v 22

Flop AA2.....

Stuff like that.

i kinda like


the donk stat and sb vpip

small blind vpip can really tell you alot about their range

the donk stat also tells you if they lead out more than they should on flops

aggro factor by street is kinda cool but i dont think you would get a big enuf sample size

and i dont know why everything is underlined, but gl at the tables,

t

darkassassin89 said:

I had AT v 22

Flop AA2.....

Stuff like that.

Click to expand...

tell me about it, i just had a bad session when i lost 3 in a row..on the river every time...just not my night.

Yea i know the pain but i just got 1st in the CC free roll for 300$ so its a great day