Auto-reload in Ring games online

shrtstakatak · Mar 20, 2009

What does the auto reload to max buy in at a ring cash game online tell you about that player? Anything in particular?
I know about the short stack play and the pros and cons to playing against the player that always buys in for the min.

Any thoughts?

I was wondering how this would affect or tell us about brm if anything.

Kenzie 96 · Mar 20, 2009

An indicator, at least, that he knows what he is doing?

LuckyChippy · Mar 20, 2009

I guess it would. If he seems tilty then you got him where you want him and he's stuck. If he seems normal, then he probably knows his BRM.

darc11 · Mar 21, 2009

I`ve found alot of players will Auto min. reload. Generally these are very losse players that want to push hard and not have to pay the max. They see it as a way to x2-x5 up. I see it alot.

nevadanick · Mar 21, 2009

Gives us some possible info on the player, but nothing about BRM, imo.

How would anyone at the table know from an auto-reload whether it came from a limited bankroll amount, or whether it is backed by 1,000 buy-ins ...

Kenzie is 'right on' for the most part. A player that knows what they are doing wants to keep their stack at that 100BB level, and 'should' have the BR to do that. If not, they'll be visiting the cashier soon for a re-deposit or the freeroll schedule ...

shrtstakatak · Mar 21, 2009

Thanks for the replies.
That's the take I've have on it, too.

Maybe the player that continues to play at the table with 4x or 5x the max buy-in doesn't have a good handle on BRM. For example, if he sits with $10 and has a bankroll of $500 (50x buy-in) he's playin smart BRM poker. But if his stack grows to say $40 now he's sitting wth 1/(500/40)or 1/12.5 or (8%) of his bankroll.

These are conservative numbers, i.e., 50x BR per level, but the concept applies.

zachvac · Mar 21, 2009

shrtstakatak said:
Thanks for the replies.
That's the take I've have on it, too.

Maybe the player that continues to play at the table with 4x or 5x the max buy-in doesn't have a good handle on BRM. For example, if he sits with $10 and has a bankroll of $500 (50x buy-in) he's playin smart BRM poker. But if his stack grows to say $40 now he's sitting wth 1/(500/40)or 1/12.5 or (8%) of his bankroll.

These are conservative numbers, i.e., 50x BR per level, but the concept applies.

Well unless someone else at the table also has a big stack, someone sitting at a $10 buy-in game with 500k would not matter because the most he can risk in one hand is $10. If there are multiple people with 500k that's when it becomes a BR issue. And if you were able to build your stack up (4-5x the buy-in, probably not up to 500k from $10 lol) you're probably at a decent table so say like in your example I have $40 at a 10nl game. It's horrible players and all the other players have $10 each. I'd be a fool to leave that game because me having $10 in that spot and me having $40 in that spot is exactly the same.

shrtstakatak · Mar 21, 2009

Not $500k. $500 period. That would translate to 50x the $10NL buy-in.

This 50x number is what I have read is needed to BR at a given level if one wants to make money consistently and not go broke.

And just because you're able to go from $10 to $40 at a table does not mean you should stay there if the $40 is beyond your bankroll. Those donkeys can't bust you just the same as they can pay you off.

NineLions · Mar 21, 2009

zachvac said:
Well unless someone else at the table also has a big stack, someone sitting at a $10 buy-in game with 500k would not matter because the most he can risk in one hand is $10. If there are multiple people with 500k that's when it becomes a BR issue. And if you were able to build your stack up (4-5x the buy-in, probably not up to 500k from $10 lol) you're probably at a decent table so say like in your example I have $40 at a 10nl game. It's horrible players and all the other players have $10 each. I'd be a fool to leave that game because me having $10 in that spot and me having $40 in that spot is exactly the same.

shrtstakatak said:
Not $500k. $500 period. That would translate to 50x the $10NL buy-in.

This 50x number is what I have read is needed to BR at a given level if one wants to make money consistently and not go broke.

And just because you're able to go from $10 to $40 at a table does not mean you should stay there if the $40 is beyond your bankroll. Those donkeys can't bust you just the same as they can pay you off.

Part of zack's point is that if everyone else only has $10, then the effective stack size is $10 so it's the same as sitting there with $10 and autoreload enabled. It's different if a few other players also have more than $10.

zachvac · Mar 21, 2009

shrtstakatak said:
Not $500k. $500 period. That would translate to 50x the $10NL buy-in.

This 50x number is what I have read is needed to BR at a given level if one wants to make money consistently and not go broke.

And just because you're able to go from $10 to $40 at a table does not mean you should stay there if the $40 is beyond your bankroll. Those donkeys can't bust you just the same as they can pay you off.

But I meant even if you have 500k at a $10nl table it would be no different from having $10 at a 10nl table if everyone else has $10 as well.

edit: yeah what nl said

zek · Mar 21, 2009

I auto reload the maximum. Every now and then those all-in preflop aces do get cracked and I hate missing the next hand. To be honest missing a hand would probably irritate me more than the bad beat. Just make sure you have plenty of BR to eat the beats and not let them bother you.

-Raymond

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