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Hi, I've been playing 0.01/0.02c for the past month and and making a reasonable amount from it but i feel as though to get to the required bankroll to play the next level will take a lot longer and the time i spend playing this lowest stake i will be losing that extra potential money i could be earning ? should i continue to grind it out till i reach the required br or should i be putting more money in and jumping levels ? i currently have $75 in my bankroll.
 
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You should continue to grind till you reach the roll for the next level , is not good to jump over the levels :)
 
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I play micros as well and started with $40 in mid October and now sit at over $350. I started with less than a 100 BI but prefer to earn a 100 ($500) for the next jump in stakes. I like a nice comfort buffer. I don't play with scared money and I am in no rush to move up. Happens when it happens. With 75 bucks you have only 15 BI for .02/.05 You could lose that in less than a week and be back where you started at those stakes. Grind it out. Don't look at like your missing a chance at more money but rather gaining experience which is a must for a jump in stakes.
 
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Why change if you are gaining at that stake? online poker is a long term plan, so dont be in a hurry.
 
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no need to jump levels just keep on grinding maybe add a few tables and when you feel your consistantly winning everytime you play maybe try and play a bit higher
 
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I deposited $50 on Full Flush and played $.01/.02 until I got to $100 (took awhile) but then moved up to $.02/.04. And man that sure seemed strange, because of the higher bets and pots. Then when I got to $150 I tried the next level. I quickly went back down. But these days I do play at $.05/.10. I'm used to it. But to go up another level is out of the question. GL to you
 
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I agree with people posted above. 75$ is not enough for the next level. Probably you don't need to have 500$, but I think at least 200$.
When you increase your bankroll you should try 0,2-0,5 and if you won't do well jump back to 0,1-0,2 because those guys at 0,5 play way better.
 
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Thanks for the help guys i will be grinding out .01/.02c till i have a good enough br to play the higher level.
 
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Really depends what you are comfortable with and how adverse you are you losing you BR if things turn sour. I play with significantly less BI than most recommend, but I do this with the realization it is very possible for me to lose it all in a string of bad luck or bad play. I find I play better like this, oddly enough, as i get too complacent if I have money to fall back on.

Only you can really determine if you are comfortable moving up in stakes. Take a look at a higher stake table, make sure you understand how it works, what's the same, what's different, etc.

Since you are asking here, you are probably unsure or uncertain. Given this, it probably isn't time yet :)
 
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What is the average bb/100 at NL2?
 
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I dont know if I had 75 I would be playing 10 cent 25 cent but ive played online for years till took time off and was comfortable up to 5.00 10.00 range at one point.

I seriously hate playing low stakes myself. Yet am building bankrolls so am playing a couple hours late at night at pennies

I really want to move up but have ranges of 1.00 to 10 dollars so got to grind arghhhh

serious frustration for me. Good news is people on pennies so far at 2 am are playing ok poker not crazy which I figured would run into so can deal with it for now but ya im moving up as soon as get to 20.00 some where will do 2 cent 4 cent or 5 cent ten cent.
 
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If you want to build a BR more quickly, then cash games are not the way to do it.
 
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play at this level, and when will earn 2 bankroll to play 0.02 / 0.05s then progress to this level
 
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If you want to build a BR more quickly, then cash games are not the way to do it.
Or you can switch to sngs and if you are not very good then lose your whole br.

I suggest you continue to focus on cash and if you feel you are doing really good maybe multi a couple more tables. The experience will help in the long run. Pigs get fat but hogs get slaughtered.
 
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Or you can switch to sngs and if you are not very good then lose your whole br.

I suggest you continue to focus on cash and if you feel you are doing really good maybe multi a couple more tables. The experience will help in the long run. Pigs get fat but hogs get slaughtered.

Haha, well yeah, being good is pretty vital in building a BR...

SNGs are so much better for building than cash.
 
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This is the cash game section of the forum right? Figure if someone is talking BR and stakes to play at we should stick to giving cash game advice. Cash players are generally better than MTT and SNG players anyways. If you can consistently win on cash you can win on MTT/SNG.
 
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That is not true at all! Generally cash game players tend to struggle with MTT and SnGs. There are the few occasions where you see a all around talented player. I think you keep grinding which ever way makes you comfortable! If you see yourself getting nervous or playing out of position a lot I would go back down.
 
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Cash game players (successful ones) are much better at reading the boards and exploiting weakness. Ask any pro and they will tell you that cash game players are better at adapting situation-ally which translates into better performance on MTT/SNG, especially when playing deep.
 
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You should continue to grind till you reach the roll for the next level , is not good to jump over the levels :)

However! If you can afford to deposit enough to feel comfortable at any new level, go ahead. Common BRM suggests you want 100 buy-ins (full buy-ins) for your comfort level to be valid. This is the standard recommendation for folks who never want to deposit again, playing totally off their winnings.

If depositing is no problem, AND you are wealthy, then by all means, learn the game at the level you want to eventually play at. Be prepared to lose at every new level. Most experienced players will tell you that the micro's may be the tuffest level to learn. Largely because there are lots and lots of players with such a wide variety of experience. From very experienced folks working on some tweak to their game to total neophytes who still are not sure if a str8 beats a flush.
 
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Common BRM suggests you want 100 buy-ins (full buy-ins) for your comfort level to be valid. This is the standard recommendation for folks who never want to deposit again, playing totally off their winnings.

This ^ is not correct for cash games.
A general guideline is
cash games - 20 buyins (or, do not exceed 5% of your bankroll on one table). Many recommend 30 buyins (some prefer a bit more)
MTT's - 100 buyins... but if you're playing alot of large-field tourneys you might want to make that 200 buyins (but at micros I'd say 100 is more than enough)
SnG's - 50 buyins(


If depositing is no problem, AND you are wealthy, then by all means, learn the game at the level you want to eventually play at.

I'm not so sure that this ^ would be such a great idea. If one was hoping to eventually play at 200nl ($1/$2) I would strongly recommend they start out at a much lower buyin level (because they'll obviously get crushed trying to start out at 200nl, would likely get super discouraged and probably never beat the level ever)

Most experienced players will tell you that the micro's may be the tuffest level to learn. Largely because there are lots and lots of players with such a wide variety of experience. From very experienced folks working on some tweak to their game to total neophytes who still are not sure if a str8 beats a flush.

And this last statement.... well do I even need to say how wrong it is? How could it not possibly be the easiest level ever to learn at? I'd love to see how you arrived at that conclusion ('most experienced players').... was this an assumption? A poll of sorts? I can't think of any decent, experienced player who would suggest that learning at micro levels wouldn't be the easiest level to learn at.
 
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I would start out in the micro's and possibly move up when you grind out a good 2-3 buyins at the next level. Continue doing that and you'll find yourself either stuck at lower levels (but low losses) or you'll jump to a level that you should play at. It's not worth throwing money away, since the better the player, usually the higher the level.
 
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And this last statement.... well do I even need to say how wrong it is? How could it not possibly be the easiest level ever to learn at? I'd love to see how you arrived at that conclusion ('most experienced players').... was this an assumption? A poll of sorts? I can't think of any decent, experienced player who would suggest that learning at micro levels wouldn't be the easiest level to learn at.

Are all your 16K posts like this? He made some valid points. 100 BI afford a nice comfort level. Playing 5% of your BR per table could bust you in one night of multitabling. The rest of his post made sense too. Yours was like trying to read a newspaper after a dog chewed it up.
 
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And this last statement.... well do I even need to say how wrong it is? How could it not possibly be the easiest level ever to learn at? I'd love to see how you arrived at that conclusion ('most experienced players').... was this an assumption? A poll of sorts? I can't think of any decent, experienced player who would suggest that learning at micro levels wouldn't be the easiest level to learn at.

It is certainly the cheapest way. Except for play money, and I didn't want to go there.
 
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