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How much Do I bet with AT(s) in early position?
I know I have to describe what other players do.
Immagine you UTG .. UTG+2 and noone comes in I usually bet 2BB but I'm thinking it is too few, yesterday in a fulltilt tournament I did so and only BB called to me. He had 7c6s, flop was 4h 5d kc he checks I bet 2BB again he called to me. turn T he checked and I 4BB he called ... river 3 I losed a lot ...

If I did bet 3BB preflop I think he did fold with 76 not suited.
What do u think about? Is it a dead hand or I made many errors?
 
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6max or FR? FR im folding AT in early postion and 6max im making my standard 4BB raise.
min raising prf doesnt really acomplish alot imo...
 
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it was a 45 tournament 5$, I was in a 9 people table
 
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Ace-ten offsuit in early or middle positon, at a full table, has a permanent residence in Muck City Utah, according to my address book.
 
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Ace-ten offsuit in early or middle positon, at a full table, has a permanent residence in Muck City Utah, according to my address book.

Wow I'm deeply moved to "talk" with a so pretty girl :)... btw AT was suited, has it the same address in your book?
 
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No, suited ace-face is marginally playable. It depends on the table. If you get raised, you have to pitch A-ten suited, so it depends on how agressive the players behind you are.

The pic is a model named Kim Smith. I used to look like that 30 years ago. Well, kinda like that, and almost as hot.
 
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We need stack sizes and blind levels to answer your question. Without it the only proper answer is: it depends.
 
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Yeah, what BelgoSuisse said. You need to tell us chip stacks and any info you have on the aggressiveness of the other players at the table. Now with that said, I am leaning towards fold with A 10 in early position with a 9-player table. Perhaps BelgoSuisse could tell us under what circumstances she would be inclined to play that hand - and how she would play it?
 
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Perhaps BelgoSuisse could tell us under what circumstances she would be inclined to play that hand - and how she would play it?

I saw you use the word she, and did a double-take. Then checked his profile. He's a man
 
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Ack! My apologies sir! I don't know why I was under the impression that he was female. Perhaps I just can't believe any man could be patient enough to go from 10 cents won in freerolls to 10 thousand dollars in 2 years. Thanks for the correction!
 
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Now with that said, I am leaning towards fold with A 10 in early position with a 9-player table. Perhaps BelgoSuisse could tell us under what circumstances he would be inclined to play that hand - and how he would play it?

With very small stacks (compared to blinds), you can open-shove it.

With medium stacks, it's probably a fold preflop. if you do play it, you probably want to play it faster by raising to 3bb at least preflop, and maybe shoving turn or something like that, but that's obviously a high risk play.

Much deeper you can open-raise it your standard raise, whatever that is. Then you probably keep pot size under control by checking turn once your cbet is called. On a KT45 board, AT is a medium strength hand and typically we only want to bet the top and bottom of our ranges, not the middle of it.

Any way, you should not lose a ton of chips on the river as you have position.

Perhaps I just can't believe any man could be patient enough to go from 10 cents won in freerolls to 10 thousand dollars in 2 years.

I really don't see how gender could influence something like that, tbh.
 
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I dont mind opening the pot with AT in middle position.

I would never limp into a pot with it or call a raise with it unless in position against someone known to steal and likely to give up after the flop.

Early position with say 100bb stacks, its an instant muck

Short stacked its woth a shove but not worthy of calling an all-in
 
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....and typically we only want to bet the top and bottom of our ranges, not the middle of it...


Thats a interesting way of looking at things.

Bet the top of our range for value

Bet the bottom of our range for fold equity

try not to get too much money in with the middle of our range
 
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If you decide to play the hand, then make your standard raise and be careful after the flop if you get callers.
 
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At 10 people table I mainly BET small chips. If re-raise someone, I thinking about Call or Fold, mainly Call. Itdepend if I have AT suited.
If anybody go to ALL IN, I fold.
 
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Most of the time I'll fold that hand but it depends on the table/stage of the tourney. With a hand like that I'm not looking for an Ace on the board I'm looking for trips or the flush draw. If it was later in the tourney and ante's were involved you just raising 2x made it a pretty enticing pot for the the BB to call with just about any two. If no ante's were involved then you made the pot to look good for the BB to call with middle connectors and above and with him flopping the open ended straight draw the implied odds that he was getting for calling your bets on future streets was great.
 
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Well AT is a very dangerous hand! A lot of pro players fold in in early position with no raise coming up! why is this? well there are so many good hands that beat it. Usually the hands ppl go in with are conected suiters... pocket pairs, and ace high kicker hands... So if its a conected suiter against ace t, well if he catches he will win, and if not, he will fold... if its a pocket pair its either he is beating you by a lot or coinflip... and if its an ace and high card... your being beat preflop. Now i mean ppl usually play it in late position but in early most ppl say its to risky to call, and especially risky to raise... thats my opinion at lesat... Good luck at the tables :).
 
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if your asking this questions it is clearly a fold in ep even in mp.
and min raising to 2bb is even worse imo
 
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A-10 is a sucker hand just as is k-j in any position except once called big blind. To many hands that start better and will only get better.
 
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I treat A10s like JJ very carefully. I usually call or sometimes small raise with these hands and hope that it goes round and I get to see the flop. If there is a reraise I would seriously consider folding. If you hit an A or a 10, if it is top pair, in the flop you have got a strong hand. The danger with A10 is that if you hit 2 of the others to give you a straight draw you get sucked in and more often than not lose to 2 pair.
 
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A10 in early position is very tricky...I typically don't play it in early position, but if I try to get by with it Ill go in hoping to catch a cheap flop and dump it if I feel like someone who acts after me is particularly strong. Obviously, this changes if your position is a little better.
 
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I don`t ususally play A-10 in early position 9-10 handed. It`s ahnad you can get in alot of trouble with if an Ace does hit the flop. If I`m playing 6 handed or shorter then I will give it a 3-4 x BB raise. It depends on the table and the way the game is playing too.
 
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Im not a big fan of A 10 in early position.If I am short stack and looking for a spot I might make a move,other than that muck city.
 
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