Apparently im meant to fold my small pocket pairs?

Ok so i buy in for the max at a short stack table which is 40bb and ive heard from blogs and on here that i should fold my suited connectors and small pairs at a short stack table is this true?. Isnt the odds of hitting your set roughly 1 in 8 and say you have 40bb and limp with 22 you lose 7bb every time you miss but on the 8th time you could possibly double your whole 40bb stack... Is this correct? And what if you have a tight player raise 3xbb your on the big blind and you call and you have 22 so you would lose 14bb everytime you miss but when you hit you could possibly double up your whole 40bb stack especially if there really tight Is this correct? I have been folding but im thinking i should be calling... When should i start playing my low pairs how many bb do i need to limp with 22?

Why are you shortstacking?

Just buy in for the max...

If you only have 40bb and are up against a 100bb stack, let's say you have AA and they have KK and get it all in, you can only win 40bb. You limit yourself how much you can win.


YOLO

I like, and limp always pocketpairs if it isnt to much raises preflop. In hope to hit the set on flop! If I can see a cheap flop and maybe hit the set I think it worth it, even if I dont hit so many times and need to pay 2-3 BB for nothing

Simply to play PP profitably you need the correct implied odds.. 8:1 is what goes in my head and it keeps me out of trouble ... As long as your pot is less than 8th the size of your stack and your opponents you should make a profit... I'm not the best at explaining but that's how I do it.

Early positions theres really no point in small PP because you won't get paid off and you'll get coolered as well. Ofc if theres a lot of fishies on the table you maybe able to widen this and go for gold... Especially POW or look up artists

Your stack needs to be a lot more than 8x the amount you need to call to make set mining profitable. The reason is because a lot if the time when you hit your set you won't get any action. And sometimes you will get stacked by a better hand, a better set, flush etc. Use 20x as a starting guideline

so say I raise 6c... in 1/2c and the guy 3bets to 18c... I should be folding ?? Kinda rough and weak it feels :/ ..... I guess I understand low pockets though but 8s + theres no way.

^^ If you are talking about 100bb starting stacks, then this situation is borderline, the call:stack ratio is 1:17. Setming when stacks are 17x the raise may be marginally profitable, especially at 2nl where fish will be more likely to put their stacks in postflop when they have top pair.

20x is just a useful guideline, it can be adjusted based on several factors like 1) how likely your opponent is to stack off post (as mentioned above) 2) How tight his 3b range is - does he only 3bet premiums then is happy to stack postflop with them? In this case you can probably reduce it to 10x 3) Whether there are other players in the pot, you can reduce it with multiple players in the pot as your implied odds go up

Aces2w1n said:

so say I raise 6c... in 1/2c and the guy 3bets to 18c... I should be folding ?? Kinda rough and weak it feels :/ ..... I guess I understand low pockets though but 8s + theres no way.

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If you are calling purely to setmine then pocket 3's have the exact same relative strength as pocket 9's. You should play them the exact same way.

if your going by the short stack strategy, then 8 8 + and facing a raise before you is all in pre,
Then if you raise yourself 3x and get re raised your supposed to let it go

those are basic guidelines, officially as a short stack your wanting to take the pot post flop "small ball"
or take it pre flop "resteals" for it to work you should be in position, and you should never be playing small PP oop,

most people dont like to sit with small ammounts, and i can understand why, but if your wanting to play small ball then being a short stacker has its benefits, usually players have to tighten up for the same reason you dont have the implied odds against them, they also dont have them against you, hence the reason the resteal is quite effective, problem with the micros are people dont notice the odds at all and will call for your entire stack meaning more races and a hell of a lot more varience

Fold em early. Play em cheap late. Big pairs and AJ+ play better in shallow games. Basically pot, pot shove good hands unless board goes bad,

I believe if you always play you small pairs to hit a set you are going to lose in the long run. This is because a lot of times you are not going to stack someone when you hit that set. You could try to raise them pre against weak tight players or check raise certain flops.

i play those hand if i can see for cheap or in position. remeber if there betting akor aq there not going to make a hand everytime and you can then take i. u may have to call a flop bet see where you at. thats where position is going to come into play.

Dubstep said:

Ok so i buy in for the max at a short stack table which is 40bb and ive heard from blogs and on here that i should fold my suited connectors and small pairs at a short stack table is this true?. Isnt the odds of hitting your set roughly 1 in 8 and say you have 40bb and limp with 22 you lose 7bb every time you miss but on the 8th time you could possibly double your whole 40bb stack... Is this correct? And what if you have a tight player raise 3xbb your on the big blind and you call and you have 22 so you would lose 14bb everytime you miss but when you hit you could possibly double up your whole 40bb stack especially if there really tight Is this correct? I have been folding but im thinking i should be calling... When should i start playing my low pairs how many bb do i need to limp with 22?

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I believe the correct odds for set mining are 15:1. you will flop a set about 12% of the times you play a small pp, which is about 7.5:1. but you will not get good action every time you hit a set, sometimes they just don't hit and will fold and sometimes your set is no good. To make up for the times you miss and the times you don't get any action when you hit I believe 15:1 is just about right.

If you are only playing 40bbs deep you really don't have the correct odds, for example in a .01-.02 game facing a standard 3x raise you would need to have .90 to play for if you both only have 40bbs you only have .80 in your stacks.

Hope this helps

You shouldnt risk 7 bb to set mine. You can play those hands as bluffs too. It seems like this table is a crazy all in fest.

i normally raise to 3 bb and most of the time i get folds but when i do get a caller then i can set mine because ive allready stolen enough bb and sb to make profit most of the time the only way im not gonna fold is if im ip and someone mini raises me like 1/4 of the stack and ive got a straight draw not to mention my pair also btw

If you have a big stack you should play them a lot of times, it can give you a lot of possibilities; straight, flushes, two pair. But play them by the cheaper way possible. Don´t go crazy with them. Other way, if you are short stack the only possible plays for you is wait for a nice hand and simply go all in, nothing else.