Anyone fold AQo and KQs in EP?

I am really starting to consider implementing this rule because I dont think I have the postflop skills to play a missed flop oop. AQo, KQs and lower in EP seem like a lose lose lose situation. You raise everyone folds, you get 1.5 blinds. You raise miss the flop now you will likely have to fold to a LP bet. You raise hit the flop open bet and get called postflop, now you have to decide if villain is chasing or has a legit hand and whether he has you beat. While I think this is less of the case at the higher levels, I believe it is best to avoid these hands early position. What do you guys think?

BTW as I am writing this I just lost KK to 75s. PF folded to me in the CO I raised 3x bb I get a call from the small blind. Flop was 455 he check raises me all in. I think it is time for me to get holdem manager or PT to seperate the regs from the fish.

If its a full ring table def consider it but 6man max K-Q maybe, depending on the texture of the table. but i wouldnt fold AQ, id open with it, consider folding to any resistance. Just gotta donk bet if you miss and you think the flop missed villians range, Maybe even 3bet him if he has a high tendancy to C-Bet.

Full Ring tables i play a lot more nitty. I dont like full ring, i prefer 6max. Once you addapt to 6max and playing decent post-flop, the money piles money.

fold em...all the time in ep. but i'm more sng/tourney. especially if it's early...i want nothing to do with missing that flop...you'll get callers for every bet at low stakes anyway. AQ late position i'm raising...if its all ready been opened or if there's all ready been a raise then it really depends on the type of players you're against. i'm folding KQ late position too, more often than not. but if you're down to the last 3 or heads up those are raise hands and i'll shove those hands short stacked

I play 9-seat, ring and tourney. I will fold either of those hands, in early position, about 1/3 of the time, min-raise 1/3 of the time, and 3-bet 1/3 of the time. In a tourney, with 10BBs or less, I'll go all-in, and once in a great while just go all-in with them anyway.

I play FR most of the time and I am happy to know I will not be the only one folding these hands. The players at 10NL are so unpredictable it is just too much of a risk to play marginal hands in EP.

JulieK said:

I play 9-seat, ring and tourney. I will fold either of those hands, in early position, about 1/3 of the time, min-raise 1/3 of the time, and 3-bet 1/3 of the time. In a tourney, with 10BBs or less, I'll go all-in, and once in a great while just go all-in with them anyway.

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I am not a fan of the min raise, it gives off a bad table image one of I don't know what I am doing in my opinion. But it works surprisingly well against me and I have nightmares about it. I might be holding top pair top kicker and be cautious of betting against a player who PF min raise as they either mean a weak ace or king, something of that nature or pocket AA KK praying for action.

I like the fold part lol but I dont think I can pull off the 3bet part because if he calls and I hit my Ace, what do I do now? Villain could very well be on AQ or AK as he would have likely folded anything lower than TT PF and 4bet with KK+. I just think you will or I will for that matter walk away with more money folding those hands than playing them.

early stages of Sng or MTT, i will muck these. Too many MP or LP people will make a call with A, rag K, rag, and sometimes with just ATC just because they feel lucky. Later in a MTT or SNG i will raise with these and then watch the texture of the board for my post flop play

nits do

I don't fold it un less there is a raise.. I will however raise with it, in EP, and if i get a caller i watch out.
And i am a "nit"

I will call, and fold if raised, LP I will raise 3x BB. I have no problem folding if I miss and get pushed

I fold bot AQ AJ KQ KJ off in a early position... Maybe if I am feeling good about the hand orrr if there are alot of limpers then try to push off some weaker hands to try and outdraw them

I might consider folding KQ in early position, but if your folding A-Q your playing extremely tight. You saying you limiting your early position playable hands are only 5 hands? So your only willing to open the pot with JJ,QQ,KK,AA,AK?

Yes i do in the early stages. I limp in with them if somebody raises i'm out!!

with KQ i will fold when i am in early position depending on the table... if the table is very out of control i will fold... but if it is very controlled i will limp in... normally with AQ it is much of the same thing... but i am more willing to take a risk with a crazier table

At a table with very tough opponents you could easily fold them and save yourself the trouble.

Otherwise I'd advise you should play them.

You'll hit a nice flop once in a while and get paid off by worse players, the rest of the time you can c-bet, try to pick up the pot, and if you face resistance just fold (unless you have odds to try to chase).
You want people playing back at you and losing a bet and c-bet isnt a huge deal if it helps you get more action later from people who think you aren't indestructible. (assuming you have good stack to blind ratio/blind to M ratio).

Great topic btw. Two very difficult hands to play when you are UTG. It is certainly one of my biggest flaws. I seem to limp with these hands (unless they are suited), and I almost always fold to late position raises. . My stradegy lately has been to really play them strong, if I think my opponents are paying attention. If everyone is just playing their own game, I will fold. GL out there

lol u playing scared....u have to know the players and if ur postflop game is weak and u have to hit to win then u really need to work harder

Hmm, sounds like all kinds of levels of experience in the replies, as well as people interpreting it for different games and levels.

AQo, KQs from early position are really "it depends" hands for me. It depends on whether it's 6 max or 9 players; 6 max is autoraise. It depends on the level of competition 'cause I play different buyin levels and tourney/S&G/cash. The lower the level, the more likely I am to open raise from early, unless it's a tourney and I have say 15 BBs, not little enough to open shove, but I don't want to get forced to continuation bet a missed flop.

BLieve is playing FR 10nl, so for me that's flexible. Because it's FR I'd lean towards folding; the less you play hands out of position, the better. But because it's 10nl and because I think I can outplay most 10nl players post flop, I'm more inclined to raise.

If you're not comfortable playing postflop against your competition, then fold lots of hands from early position. You don't want to play postflop out of position against opponents that you don't think you can read well or out play, unless you have a premium hand.