Any tips on limit ?

Does anyone have some tips on limit? I am playing at .05/.10...
I can't seam to hit a flush, and or a str8, and any semi bluff i try i seam's to be call by a pair....
I have most of the ones, what hands there playing, but the fish won't fold, so can you help me out???
I was playing in .02/.04 but i would lose it quick, thought i would take a step up, i need to know what i can to take care of the fish..
I can't seam to hit a flush in 1,000 hands........
So i am asking for help....

I would say, limit is not about "making the other one fold"... You actually always get good odds to call a lot of hands..

imo, theres almost NO fold-equity in FL Play NL if you want to make "the fish" fold his hand!

I find fl frustrating as well if you have the top hand you cant bet big to make them fold so I most always play nl as well you might try to find a poker book on it, sorry not much help.

limit vs No Limt

Ahhhh good old no fold em holdem, one thing I can say about any poker game is. Moving up before you can beat the limit you are playing is no way to go. Low limit games can be beaten with simple tight play and knowing pot odds. While it is true that it is impossible to get players to fold at low limits. This is the nature of limit structure, and all who play are bound by that. Probably the best book I can recommend would be "Small stakes Holdem" by miller skalansky Malmuth.

I played limit games for a while at 50c /$1 structure and did quite well for a little while. I think the biggest problem with that limit is that the rake is crippling and you have to be an expectional player to overcome that hurdle. The higher you go the lower the impact of the rake but the quality of play is better. so its a bit of a catch22. One other thing I will say about limit, is it's a lot safer option than NL. As the highs and lows are no where near as extreme. Gl do some study and you will get there.

Do you read the responses to your posts? As I said in your other thread (and damon has said it here), read SSHE.

First off, don't ask broad questions. They will get you nowhere and the best response is generally, "it depends." There is too much to LHE to explain in a post. Posting some hands and getting critiqued on your play would be a good starting point.

I'll just throw out a couple general rules of thumb to get you started:

-Learn starting hand properties. Some hands play better multi way, and some are better with fewer people. Getting a starting hand chart is a good starting point.
-Postflop aggression is the name of the game. Value bet, value bet, value bet and value bet when you are likely to have the best hand (i.e. you should rarely be checking the river when a draw that you don't have comes in)
-Don't bother bluffing/semi bluffing until you get to at least .50/1. Furthermore, you need to be able to hand read and board read quite well to pull these moves off, something you are unlikely to have when starting out. If you attempt a semi-bluff against a "fish", you are actually getting outplayed by the fish.

Only 1 tip for you...

DON'T PLAY IT :rofl:

Read up ... as suggested earlier.

Suited Frenzy said:

Only 1 tip for you...

DON'T PLAY IT :rofl:

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Don't let anyone discourage you, if that's what you enjoy or are comfortable playing. I started playing live in '69, limit only. NL wasn't even an option in most rooms then.

I still prefer limit games, live AND online.

nevadanick said:

Read up ... as suggested earlier.



Don't let anyone discourage you, if that's what you enjoy or are comfortable playing. I started playing live in '69, limit only. NL wasn't even an option in most rooms then.

I still prefer limit games, live AND online.

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I'm not trying to discourage the lad, it's just that I've never known any1 that has really liked limit poker b4. I know a LOT of poker players, online & live & they all have said the same thing about limit poker...it's no good & not worth playing.

I won't get into specifics but I know some1 who played limit since he got out of the Navy when he was 24 & over the years has lost so much $$$, it's unreal. He has blamed it on the fact that it's 'limit' & that you can't get your $$$ in w/ the best of it, especially when some1 will chase everything knowing they don't have to risk their whole stack. I told him a couple of years ago to try NL & what do you know, in less than 2 years, he is ahead by thousands of dollars +.

Do what you want & play what makes you feel comfortable but that is just my HO on the whole limit thing.

Suited Frenzy said:

I'm not trying to discourage the lad, it's just that I've never known any1 that has really liked limit poker b4. I know a LOT of poker players, online & live & they all have said the same thing about limit poker...it's no good & not worth playing.

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There's a lot less "feel" and much more math involved in limit.

Suited Frenzy said:

I won't get into specifics but I know some1 who played limit since he got out of the Navy when he was 24 & over the years has lost so much $$$, it's unreal. He has blamed it on the fact that it's 'limit' & that you can't get your $$$ in w/ the best of it, especially when some1 will chase everything knowing they don't have to risk their whole stack. I told him a couple of years ago to try NL & what do you know, in less than 2 years, he is ahead by thousands of dollars +.

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If someone is blaming their losses on getting sucked out on too much, they don't understand limit very well. It means they are most likely overvaluing / not protecting their top pair type of hands. Yes, you do get sucked out on much more in FL than in NL. However, it's still those that keep calling when they don't have odds to call that will donate money to you in the long run.

That being said, most FL players nowadays agree that the fish population has dried up considerably and this is a very valid reason to stick to NL. However, FL is still very beatable as long as you understand how to play it.

U don't need all that crap for help, u have to be agressive all the way to the river in limit. if ur going to play a hand raise and don't stop raising.

mig2169 said:

U don't need all that crap for help, u have to be agressive all the way to the river in limit. if ur going to play a hand raise and don't stop raising.

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Worst piece of advise in this thread.

Play tight

IMO limit games are intended to keep the stakes down, and peeps will chase any draw and sometimes any 2 high cards.
I play 5/10 stud and stud H/L. I find peeps calling my 2 pair showing all the way up to and including 7th street even though they didn't hit their str8 or flush. They'll pay the other .10 to see what you actually had.
Lots of times I wont bet and let the other do the betting till Im sure I got it. That keeps the loses down when I do lose to the chaser.
At the same time it's cheeper for you to chase to. But I dont recomend it when it's expensive. You got 2 peeps betting and raiseing is not the time to chase.
Just my tid bit of limited knowledge

tenbob said:

Worst piece of advise in this thread.

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Haha, the funny thing is that I've actually seen this work at a table full of bad TAGs so if you table select really really really hard (and looking for people who fold too much, not call too much), you may be profitable for about... 3 hours?

But in all seriousness, anyone who is capable of making adjustments will easily exploit you.

MeTim said:

IMO limit games are intended to keep the stakes down, and peeps will chase any draw and sometimes any 2 high cards.
I play 5/10 stud and stud H/L. I find peeps calling my 2 pair showing all the way up to and including 7th street even though they didn't hit their str8 or flush. They'll pay the other .10 to see what you actually had.
Lots of times I wont bet and let the other do the betting till Im sure I got it. That keeps the loses down when I do lose to the chaser.
At the same time it's cheeper for you to chase to. But I dont recomend it when it's expensive. You got 2 peeps betting and raiseing is not the time to chase.
Just my tid bit of limited knowledge

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This is not a good way to play FL. In general, poker rewards aggression. You need to make anyone chasing, pay to chase. Giving up free cards when ahead is as good as burning money. Being tight passive will probably make you a marginally winning player in the nanos but nanos can be crushed and it won't work at higher limits.

Granted I don't play stud so I don't know the exact dynamics but in FLHE, if you have an equity advantage in the hand compared to how much you expect to get called for, you bet.

WurlyQ said:

Granted I don't play stud so I don't know the exact dynamics but in FLHE, if you have an equity advantage in the hand compared to how much you expect to get called for, you bet.

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Its the same in the stud games...

WurlyQ said:

Do you read the responses to your posts? As I said in your other thread (and damon has said it here), read SSHE.

First off, don't ask broad questions. They will get you nowhere and the best response is generally, "it depends." There is too much to LHE to explain in a post. Posting some hands and getting critiqued on your play would be a good starting point.

I'll just throw out a couple general rules of thumb to get you started:

-Learn starting hand properties. Some hands play better multi way, and some are better with fewer people. Getting a starting hand chart is a good starting point.
-Postflop aggression is the name of the game. Value bet, value bet, value bet and value bet when you are likely to have the best hand (i.e. you should rarely be checking the river when a draw that you don't have comes in)
-Don't bother bluffing/semi bluffing until you get to at least .50/1. Furthermore, you need to be able to hand read and board read quite well to pull these moves off, something you are unlikely to have when starting out. If you attempt a semi-bluff against a "fish", you are actually getting outplayed by the fish.

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yeah i did. I just have to find the book...

nevadanick said:

Read up ... as suggested earlier.



Don't let anyone discourage you, if that's what you enjoy or are comfortable playing. I started playing live in '69, limit only. NL wasn't even an option in most rooms then.

I still prefer limit games, live AND online.

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I am comfortable playing at .05/.10 with out a problem, and find out i stay almost even... the only thing that has put a small hole in my BR was C betting with pocket Aces, and kings, well looking at a str8 draw, and flush draw. <<<< i had that problem in NL to, till i trap'ed the ones who were calling my raises..

Thought when i do raise, hit big time i still have them calling, i have also found out using traps helps to.

I think for now i will read up on CC for limit....

Ok, so you all know i did some reading in Strategy, Articles, and it helped a lot, i even came out with just about 3.00 bucks, all in all i would say that was a great out come.....
I will stat this, i had ones loaded with up to 13.00 bucks at the table, and pulled off a great out come....

Sounds like you're playing too many hands and chasing too much. If you don't have 4 to a straight or flush on the flop, check it. A fish is usually good for a check. If you don't hit it on the turn, a bet might bluff him, but probably not the ones you describe. Let it go and find another better hand to get your money in.

mig2169 said:

U don't need all that crap for help, u have to be agressive all the way to the river in limit. if ur going to play a hand raise and don't stop raising.

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That only killed me.....

lektrikguy said:

Sounds like you're playing too many hands and chasing too much. If you don't have 4 to a straight or flush on the flop, check it. A fish is usually good for a check. If you don't hit it on the turn, a bet might bluff him, but probably not the ones you describe. Let it go and find another better hand to get your money in.

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Yeah i had to cut back on the hands i was playing, i only called a raise with great hands... Thought even c-betting helped out, and not giving them that free card.
I did do a bit of a bluff...
I had to pick my spots, and i even did some great folds.....
When all else fails re read up on it.:smile:
I also showed some of my hands, i think that helped..

Bobby 'he-won-all-the-money-again' Baldwin wrote the section in Super System on limit hold'em. Maybe give that a read.

mig2169 said:

U don't need all that crap for help, u have to be agressive all the way to the river in limit. if ur going to play a hand raise and don't stop raising.

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O I remember you!!

We've played together frequently.

Well maybe it was just someone who looks a lot like you.. I dunno.

Thanks though.

LizzyJ said:

Bobby 'he-won-all-the-money-again' Baldwin wrote the section in Super System on limit hold'em. Maybe give that a read.

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Thanks... It's just taking some time to add most of what i have learned to my game.

kidkvno1 said:

Yeah i had to cut back on the hands i was playing, i only called a raise with great hands... Thought even c-betting helped out, and not giving them that free card.

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This is money Preflop, you should rarely be cold calling a raise, and I mean like once a session rarely. You need a hand good enough to raise if you want to enter a raised pot (some exceptions apply where numerous people have already cold called and you have hand that plays well in multi way pots) Oh, and value betting is also good

kidkvno1 said:

I did do a bit of a bluff...
I had to pick my spots, and i even did some great folds.....

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These are all generally a bad idea at the lower stakes.

Too many people call at lower stakes for bluffs to be profitable. Unless you have a really good read that someone folds too much, there is a good chance that you are just folding out a worse hand. You won't go much wrong by never bluffing in nanos.

Your folds may have been correct, but it is generally a bad idea to make the "expert fold" in large pots (expert folds generally imply you had a pretty good hand meaning the pot was fairly large) because of incredible pot odds. Let's say that the pot size is 10BB on the river and you are fairly certain you are beat. It only takes being right 1 in 11 times to break even. That means if you make an "expert fold" 10 times for every time you incorrectly make a fold, you are losing money.

Now if you made "expert folds" with middle pair and no draws on the turn, then sure, good fold.

mig2169 said:

U don't need all that crap for help, u have to be agressive all the way to the river in limit. if ur going to play a hand raise and don't stop raising.

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I agree... This is the most terrible advice i've ever seen....

This individual obviously just needed to jab in a post....

N-E wayz.... Limit poker is a really long road , espically for tournament style play.

But you are asking about general play asistance for Limit Holdem?

... Moving up limits when having a bad streak is never a good idea..it will only cost you more during your bad run.
Limit holdem is a calling game... and i think is best played by the " Calling station" type player... Making consistant raises and betting every round does not always guarantee that your opponent will fold!.. Limit holdem is all about having "The Nuts" and betting accordingly...

If you did'nt hit the board hard....don't bet...
If you hit the Board Hard.....Check/Raise...

Limit is is also great for trapping type players... The more you can suckout of your opponent the better... But the trick to limit is to suck out your opponent with the the nuts...

Limit is all about knowing your odds when the bets fall often...
Limit takes Alot of patience and variance....

I hope this general information helps your game.... (this is also my general opinion)
Good luck on the felt

XxJackAcexX said:

Moving up limits when having a bad streak is never a good idea..it will only cost you more during your bad run.

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XxJackAcexX said:

Limit holdem is a calling game... and i think is best played by the " Calling station" type player... Making consistant raises and betting every round does not always guarantee that your opponent will fold!.. Limit holdem is all about having "The Nuts" and betting accordingly...

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With all due respect, this is terrible advice. When you bet, you are value betting, not betting for the purposes of getting your opponent to fold. Therefore whenever you have the best hand, you bet or raise. If you don't you check or fold (depending on whether or not you have odds to call). Limit is all about making marginal value bets. You don't need the nuts to bet.

Watch play at the higher tables. You'll notice that everyone is aggressive postflop. (Disclaimer: Don't try this style of play at lower limits. There is so much more going on than the average person realizes.

XxJackAcexX said:

If you did'nt hit the board hard....don't bet...
If you hit the Board Hard.....Check/Raise...

Limit is is also great for trapping type players... The more you can suckout of your opponent the better... But the trick to limit is to suck out your opponent with the the nuts...

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Limit is all about people who value bet. Trapping is generally not the way to go. The trick to limit is to call when you have odds to call drawing with the nuts.

XxJackAcexX said:

Limit is all about knowing your odds when the bets fall often...
Limit takes Alot of patience and variance....

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