Any pair plus flush draw on flop. ADVICE? PLZ HELP

I recently faced too many decisions where I flop a pair PLUS a flush draw. I won quite often but I lost too. What happened was, I had 9 10 spades suited. Flop came out 10h Js 2s. This guy had top pair top kicker. He raised me all in. I called. It was sit-n-go. I had about 1500 chips. he had 1000. I called bcz even if I lose, I still have 500 left. But what are your approaches when you face pair plus flush draw. Please help me. Thank you.

Well as usual it all depends...In that situation I probably would have done the same thing. But it almost always comes down to the pot size, how high my drawing cards are and what pair I have. You've got 14 outs to the best hand(9 spades, 3 nines and 2 tens, plus the small chance of catching runner runner straight) giving you a 35% chance of winning the hand by the river(My math might not be so good) If you're getting anymore then 2/1 to call then it's the right decision. Sometimes if you're not getting quite the right odds you can try and chase but like you said, you win some you lose some.

032483 said:

Well as usual it all depends...In that situation I probably would have done the same thing. But it almost always comes down to the pot size, how high my drawing cards are and what pair I have. You've got 14 outs to the best hand(9 spades, 3 nines and 2 tens) giving you a 35% chance of winning the hand by the river(My math might not be so good) If you're getting anymore then 2/1 to call then it's the right decision. Sometimes if you're not gettign quite the right odds youc an try and chase but like you said, you win some you lose some.

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The problem was, sometimes, someone had top pair good kicker. Sometimes, someone hit their set. Sometimes, they hit two pairs. My outs varied. So it was hard for me to calculate in every situation. But I don't know if it's a good call or donkey call. Most of the time, i had more chips than them, so i just called regardless of even if i have less chips than them and said to myself "screw this, i'm playing poker. poker is part of gambling. gotta take risks" but i dunno if it was donkey call or good call.

They are tough to lay down. I do prefer being the aggressor if only one other is in the hand. If more are in I try to slow play it a bit (depending on how high the flush draw is).

I think you just have to watch later in tournaments when stacks are larger. If you are a big stack and the person pushing against you is big as well do you want to risk it that late in the tourny on that hand? I would probably lay down if it was a mid or low flush draw with second or bottom pair in that situation if other player was somewhat tight.

Again depends on the other player or players I am against for final decision on these hands.

Kwolff said:

They are tough to lay down. I do prefer being the aggressor if only one other is in the hand. If more are in I try to slow play it a bit (depending on how high the flush draw is).

I think you just have to watch later in tournaments when stacks are larger. If you are a big stack and the person pushing against you is big as well do you want to risk it that late in the tourny on that hand? I would probably lay down if it was a mid or low flush draw with second or bottom pair in that situation if other player was somewhat tight.

Again depends on the other player or players I am against for final decision on these hands.

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Aah, thank you. next time, I'll try to list down every specific details and exact situation. Because pair plus flush draw is one of most interesting hands. I mean, if someone has flush draw and semi-bluffing, then you're in lead and you're likely gonna win because their chance of making their flush decreases since you have flush cards too. If they flopped a set, you can rely on flush. If they have top pair, you get urself so many outs, either two pairs, trips, or flush. So yeah, hard to lay them down. since it's a very interesting hand, I wanted to get some answers from this forum. I couldnt' find a book that teaches this situation in details.

A lot of this depends on the villain here, so this can go either way. If you have just moved to the table and have no info on the guy, then I would have to say that I would lay this hand down. I would see his raise as a sign that he had a hand and was trying to prevent you from getting an easy path to the next cards to see if you hit a draw. However, if you felt he was a fish and you had an opportunity to take his chips, then go for it. A lot depends on your read of the villain here. I'm just guessing here, but as he is down to 1000 chips I'm guessing you saw him lose a hand and felt that he was a player worth taking the risk against, so all-in-all i think you made the right play.

If I feel I need the double up cause I'm getting short, I will go in with such a hand, but if I'm rolling along well and feel like I'll cash w/o that particular pot, I'll let it go if someone pushes in.

Having a pair and a flush draw on the flop is very strong. Most of the time you should bet a lot or raise. There are a few occasions where you should fold but its rare. Such a situation is when more than 1 other player is all in. Straight and flush draws, a pair and a flush draw, a flush draw and over cards, etc are all strong hands that you should almost always play strongly.

Yea you will win and lose some because in 1 tournament i played i had top pair plus a straight draw and was betting the pot all the way through and lost since the other player had top pair plus a higher kicker

Flush draw with a pair

With the hand you describe, I would try to get in as cheap as possible, either card that you paired are middle of the road pairs and should be treated with caution. As for the flush draw, your hand is still not that strong with the two cards you hold, many times I have been out flushed with someone holding the queen king or ace with another spade. So take it slow in those situations, note how the other players are betting and be cautious. Try a medium raise of 2 or 300 and see how the table reacts to get a feel of your strength, then it will be easier to get away from the hand if necessary if 4th street and the river go bad for you.