Originally Posted by Steveg1976
You are saying for us to wait to raise in the turn when the equity increases, but due to the vulnerability of 10's a common play is to make a raise right now on the flop to prevent ever having to get to the turn card or to make the other player make a pot odds mistake to call correct.
I am saying that the two plays seem to be contradicting themselves.
If by raising you can get everyone else to fold, then raising the flop is definitely the way to go.
I made my post a complete mess, misread the original hand, and didn't really make myself very clear, either, so let me take a stab at it again:
We have two different objectives in this hand:
1. Build the pot.
2. Win the hand.
We win the hand most often by pushing others out of the pot. We build the largest pot by keeping the most people in.
With aces, we don't care much about what comes on the turn. Sure, there's a risk that someone hits two-pair or picks up a strong draw, but our plan for the rest of the hand isn't going to change much.
With tens, however, we're pretty nervous about the turn. A paint card is going to look very ugly for us, and an ace especially. If we can eliminate a few of the players by raising the flop, we're much safer going to the turn. If no one will fold - and I believe SSHE presumes that no one will - then raising the flop is little more than tossing even money into the pot.
This is what I misread in the original hand; I thought the action had made it possible for us to 3-bet and face a large portion of the field with a raise and a reraise. Apparently it's just one more for everyone to call. At that point, raising with tens is mostly pointless.