Another argument in the Blocher household

Jblocher1

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Well guys.... Another day, another poker related argument in the Blocher family :)

So, I was attempting to explain to my brother that there are benefits to playing a short stack strategy. He says there are none. He's one of those rigtard kind of guys who only plays live because he's sure online is rigged.

So thoughts? It is obvious that you lose value by playing a short stack strategy, but he says there are NO arguments for it. I have my own thoughts, and they have been expressed. However in order to settle this like adults he has specially requested that I post this to the forums for debate.

So what do you guys think?

PS: I understand playing short stack is not an optimal strategy, just trying to educate non educated poker players in my family one at a time. LOL
 
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Actually I am starting to think that short stacking is great on weekends/holidays.

Outplaying unknown fish is questionable idea since you can't know which type you are dealing with but they are all horrible and making a metric ****ton of mistakes that are gonna explode the otherwise small winrate of stortstacking.
 
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Short stacks can actually make playing easier because you have fewer decisions to make. I believe the commitment threshold for a short stack actually creates an advantage by drastically simplifies the game. For example hitting TPTK with AK in raised pot is an easy stack off 40bb deep, but 100bb deep, I would be inclined to pot control and possibly fold to any real action.
 
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Actually I am starting to think that short stacking is great on weekends/holidays.

Outplaying unknown fish is questionable idea since you can't know which type you are dealing with but they are all horrible and making a metric ****ton of mistakes that are gonna explode the otherwise small winrate of stortstacking.

What if they r epic at short stacking and only do it because they know they will be labeled fish for doing so?
 
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You misunderstood me somehow.

I am saying that playing shortstacked in fish-rich environment just destroys them since:
1) speculative hands they love can't play profitably against you
2) your simplistic strategy is hard to combat even for regs, so fish are gonna make so many mistakes (mainly by playing spec hands and stacking off with incorrect ranges) the money will just flow in

You need to rathole ofc.


Playing short vs regs is gonna result in miniscule win rate eaten by rake. So table selection is key I think.

In case you think you can rep a fish... actually I know which shorties have a clue and it is easy to recognize them (not a big sample needed to see ranges and stats). But you are playing a close to unexploitable strategy so it doesn't matter much.
 
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The deeper the stacks get, the more of an edge the better players have. If you are in a game with players that may be more experienced or skilled, playing short stacked can actually reduce their edge a little bit.

Why would you want to play short against fish? You are reducing your own edge against them. Weak players usually stack off in bad spots or with poor equity, so why would you want to minimize profit in those situations? You also weaken your implied odds when holding speculative hands or small pairs for set mining, and these hands can usually be huge cash cows against players that stack off lightly.
 
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The deeper the stacks get, the more of an edge the better players have. If you are in a game with players that may be more experienced or skilled, playing short stacked can actually reduce their edge a little bit.
This.

The SPR will be lower when playing shortstacked however and you decisions will be easier. Also it is a real pain to play against an aggresive shortstacker.
 
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Short stacking can exploit the regs on higher tables, its only logical when you wouldn't have an edge at 100bb eff, equally it limits your learning and doesn't allow you to improve very easily, the ceiling on your win rate will be very low compared with 100bb eff. its not something id recommend to anyone here tho
 
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