Analysing a player

So, I was wondering if anyone here has ever done it?

There's a reg who (according to PTR) has a WR of 4.3bb/100 over 340k hands at 50NL 6max.

I personally have 2.5k hands on him, although he's a losing player over this sample as it happens. Anyways, I have his 'normal' stats:-

20/17/3.5

Then we have:-

ATS: 36
3bet: 5
Fold to 3bet: 58
Fcbet: 77
Tcbet: 58
Fold Fcbet: 41
Fold Tcbet: 0
WTSD: 26
W$SD: 45

But what can I do to take a look at lines etc. with filters and my database, in terms of his play in order to perhaps learn something from him? Or is 2.5k not enough hands to even think about doing something like this? Any thoughts?

Small sample to do what you're proposing but how many times has he ever faced a turn cbet in your sample? Doesn't seem like he likes to fold to 3bets or postflop just based on your numbers.

i think you need more hands, the vpip, pfr, steal numbers converge quickly, but the 3b,4b numbers require a much larger sample size

Yeah I probably do. Looks like I'll keep getting more hands, because he seems to be hovering between 50 and 100 for the time being.

WVHillbilly said:

Small sample to do what you're proposing but how many times has he ever faced a turn cbet in your sample? Doesn't seem like he likes to fold to 3bets or postflop just based on your numbers.

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I just took a look and he faced a Tcbet 10 times and didn't fold once (so not a great sample size). Fold to 3bet is based on 51 occasions though, so we are definitely seeing a tendency of not folding there. I suppose since he is opening and calling with a fairly strong range, that might incline him to stick with his hand if he feels as though villains are often fos/light/drawing/behind etc.?

I had a hand with him where I flopped trip kings on a 2 flush board and he called 3 barrels with pocket 5s (flush never came in). I was so expecting a reraise on the river from a slow played monster, but nope. Hmmmm!

Yeah you can widen your 3bet for value range without a doubt especially when he opens from MP+. I'd also barrel the shit out of him with like TPTK+. There is no chance I would take a street off vs this guy. Bet/bet/bet for value unless the board just goes to complete shit.

He's also the guy you shouldn't be cbetting without equity. Like you should still cbet overs/draws but cbetting hands like 22 on a AJ4 board doesn't make sense since he might just call down 2 streets with 77 or whatever.

try and get idea of ranges, whats tripling, doubling, 3betting/4betting, flatting to 3bets, look at these if you got to showdown then you get see if hes depolarised/polarised in 3betting, doubles mid flush draws (78/67 etc) or does he check back, what does he pot control with?

He will have big leaks deffo

how does he react to aggression, whats his fold to c/r, fold cbet to raise, fold to donk etc

WVHillbilly said:

Yeah you can widen your 3bet for value range without a doubt especially when he opens from MP+. I'd also barrel the shit out of him with like TPTK+. There is no chance I would take a street off vs this guy. Bet/bet/bet for value unless the board just goes to complete shit.

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You say this, but what is his "call open" percentage? Its possible he doesn't do things like call in position to set mine. Thus his FTCB will be really low.

But your initial reads are right, you should be jamming for value with some marginal holdings.

And this is 6-max right? Seems like he falls into the typical nit + leaks category. Most bad nits/tight players don't like folding once they get their good hands.

That's a stat I've never used. Here I would just assume he is calling IP to set mine just from his VPIP/PFR. Guess that's probably not a good assumption?

WVHillbilly said:

That's a stat I've never used. Here I would just assume he is calling IP to set mine just from his VPIP/PFR. Guess that's probably not a good assumption?

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No it probably is. But if you've got the time to sit down and look at more obscure stats, then why not do it?

FWIW, I also had the "Fold BB to steal" stat in my HUD. It's especially useful with nitty-ish players like this who you're going to put on your left. And I quit using WTSD, W$SD, and some of the turn stats, because they just take way too long to converge to be useful. I'd rather have a lot of good flop & turn information than some flawed info about his river play.

Defenitely a shove and I hope he will get called by worse and get a bad beat.

Btw think the guy loves you now you have quoted his spam!

Don't quote the spammers guys.

Jurn8 said:

try and get idea of ranges, whats tripling, doubling, 3betting/4betting, flatting to 3bets, look at these if you got to showdown then you get see if hes depolarised/polarised in 3betting, doubles mid flush draws (78/67 etc) or does he check back, what does he pot control with?

He will have big leaks deffo

how does he react to aggression, whats his fold to c/r, fold cbet to raise, fold to donk etc

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Cheers for this, gonna do some reg analysis of my own using these things......one day lol

Leak Buster will analyze your opponents stats as well and tell you where their leaks are. There is also a section video on how to exploit their leaks. If you have a decent sample size on them, it can work quite well.

What is optimal for AF? Is 2-3 good?

You are going to be in a much better position to understand his general game plan, psychology and mindset if you look @ hands individually instead of trying to divine something out of those statistics.

Omahahahahahahahahhahahah said:

You are going to be in a much better position to understand his general game plan, psychology and mindset if you look @ hands individually instead of trying to divine something out of those statistics.

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I disagree. Stats will help you pick up on a players patterns over the long term. If you find these patterns you can learn to exploit them.

In some ways he seems pretty bad but others he seems to do things I'm coming to agree with. I fully believe people steal too much, 3bet too much and in spots fold to 3bets too much. This guy calls a ridiculous amount postflop tho.

I'd definitely look at individual hands and see what types of ranges he has in spots and what he does stuff with. Something you should be doing with your own hands really (me included )