Am I ready for NL10?

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Been grinding 140k hands at nl2 and around 50k hands at nl5 (10 bb/100 winrate at nl2 and 5 bb/100 at nl5).

I now have a bankroll of 300$, and I wonder: Should I stay at these lower limit 'til I'm confident enough in my game, or should I take a stab at nl10 just because I am rolled for it?

Any input is appriciated, thanks in advance.
Also: any major differences between nl10 and nl2/5?
 
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Take a 10 buyin shot there at the min imo.

You should have shot took at around $200.

140k hands of 2nl, jesus!
 
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Been grinding 140k hands at nl2 and around 50k hands at nl5 (10 bb/100 winrate at nl2 and 5 bb/100 at nl5).

I now have a bankroll of 300$, and I wonder: Should I stay at these lower limit 'til I'm confident enough in my game, or should I take a stab at nl10 just because I am rolled for it?

Any input is appriciated, thanks in advance.
Also: any major differences between nl10 and nl2/5?

30BI seems like enough for 10nl. Most things I've read say that you should move up when you have 20BI or more.
 
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A lesson I just learned is that having the bankroll isn't enough. It is also a matter of how confident you feel playing the game.

The fact that you asked whether you should wait until you are more confident is an indicator to me that you should put in more hands (get to about 100K) at 5NL and then assess how you are doing. Do you feel more confident? Are you still beating the game at a solid rate? Besides your win rates, do you have a HUD and what are your stats at 5NL?

You could sprinkle in some 10NL games and see how they feel. But be aware if the added cost makes you feel hesitant to play the same game you've been playing at 5NL. This is a sign that you don't have the confidence yet to play the higher stakes.
 
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Work on your game, like we all should but you are rolled enough for 10nl. Have a shot and good luck.
 
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10 is a joke compared to 5NL. its an absolute spewfest. opponents realise now that the more money they put in the pot the more they will win. expect to get shoved on a TON lighter than you did at 5NL.

and ye, move up asap. with your roll id be taking a 15BI shot
 
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I should be saying, I solely play Zoom @ stars.

My game is 17/14, but considering tightening up when entering nl10 til i get used to the stake and then go back to my normal game.

Also, would you advice to play normal tables instead of Zoom? Played all of my 170k hands on Zoom, but might go play normal tables now. I'll see about that.
 
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17/14 on the nitty side but fine for 6m, too loose for FR imo, assuming youre multitabling
 
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You will be fine. Maybe play a session and see how it feels. The players are not that much better at 10nl. If you overthink it you will out -level yourself.
 
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If you feel confident about your game, and if you think you're ready to beat NL10 just go ahead...but keep studying
 
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Alright, took a stab at NL10 and played a solid 14/12 game. Thought I was doing pretty well, until i ran in to three different setups within 10 minutes.

First was KK, standard raise from button, except BB who attempts to resteal and raises. I reraise and he shoves. Snap call by me, and I see him on 45o. Finally a big pot in my favor. Oh wait! Of course he hits a runner runner straight. -10$

A5s also standard raise on button, 1 caller, flop middle pair and nut flush draw. C-bet. Turn comes another 5, I raise, he reraises, I shove (since he wasn't representing anything, really LAG opponent known from nl2). I get called by 66 (no set) but of course he hits a full boat on the river. -12$

Third and final blow to me before i shut down AA against TT. Flop 892 rainbow. All in on turn that was a 6. And guess what? Yes, correctly! a 7 on the river. -14$

This is ridiculous, and I know it's just variance. But after 1300 hands and down to 260$ feels just terrible. I'll give it a couple of thousand hands, but then I guess I'm forced back down to the lovely nl5 and nl2.

Just an update in case any of you were wondering.
 
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Tough intro to NL10. The only thing I saw fun raising my stakes was how fast player points accumulate. Otherwise, it was the same set of cards being tossed out there in a lower limit game, the rake again taking whatever in winnings I would be ahead.
 
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Alright, took a stab at NL10 and played a solid 14/12 game. Thought I was doing pretty well, until i ran in to three different setups within 10 minutes.

First was KK, standard raise from button, except BB who attempts to resteal and raises. I reraise and he shoves. Snap call by me, and I see him on 45o. Finally a big pot in my favor. Oh wait! Of course he hits a runner runner straight. -10$

A5s also standard raise on button, 1 caller, flop middle pair and nut flush draw. C-bet. Turn comes another 5, I raise, he reraises, I shove (since he wasn't representing anything, really LAG opponent known from nl2). I get called by 66 (no set) but of course he hits a full boat on the river. -12$

Third and final blow to me before i shut down AA against TT. Flop 892 rainbow. All in on turn that was a 6. And guess what? Yes, correctly! a 7 on the river. -14$

This is ridiculous, and I know it's just variance. But after 1300 hands and down to 260$ feels just terrible. I'll give it a couple of thousand hands, but then I guess I'm forced back down to the lovely nl5 and nl2.

Just an update in case any of you were wondering.

this has to make you feel pretty good about how bad everyone else is at least.
 
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this has to make you feel pretty good about how bad everyone else is at least.

Yup, that's why I think I'll stay on nl10 for a couple of thousand hands til variance evens out. So far the big pots I've been involved in are major coolers, so I'm not doubting I'll beat the stake in 10-20k hands give or take.
 
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Yup, that's why I think I'll stay on nl10 for a couple of thousand hands til variance evens out. So far the big pots I've been involved in are major coolers, so I'm not doubting I'll beat the stake in 10-20k hands give or take.

Not that it's really important in any way, but the hands you listed in the previous post are badbeats/standard. None are coolers
 
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I don't know, are you? You know your game best.
 
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Sat down again at the tables after a couple of beers - worst decision ever. Got a bad beat at the start which tilted me off course and I went to even higher stakes.

Bankroll back down to 150$ so i'll keep grinding 5 and 2nl for a couple of million hands. Normally I never drink and play, but this was an exception. Shame on me.
 
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A lesson I just learned is that having the bankroll isn't enough. It is also a matter of how confident you feel playing the game.
There can be even more to consider, mainly depending on personal factors. For instance, even if you feel you have enough game to move up, it's not a great decision to do so if the higher buyin amount makes you uncomfortable enough to play scared.

Even if you don't play scared, maybe it's not as much fun for you. If so, you can try to desensitize yourself over time, but there's also nothing that says you have to move up just because you have the potential to make more money, particularly if you're a recreational player, although there are also pros who choose to play well within their rolls.
 
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Been grinding 140k hands at nl2 and around 50k hands at nl5 (10 bb/100 winrate at nl2 and 5 bb/100 at nl5).

I now have a bankroll of 300$, and I wonder: Should I stay at these lower limit 'til I'm confident enough in my game, or should I take a stab at nl10 just because I am rolled for it?

Any input is appriciated, thanks in advance.
Also: any major differences between nl10 and nl2/5?

If you have to ask, then the honest answer is probably not.
 
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go for it dude. if it doesnt work out you can always move back down
 
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Alright, took a stab at NL10 and played a solid 14/12 game. Thought I was doing pretty well, until i ran in to three different setups within 10 minutes.



This is ridiculous, and I know it's just variance. But after 1300 hands and down to 260$ feels just terrible. I'll give it a couple of thousand hands, but then I guess I'm forced back down to the lovely nl5 and nl2.

IMVHO, this proves what I was trying to say before. These are all standard bad beats, and you definitely played your hands well. So your poker game is good. But I think the way you feel when this happens is a big deciding factor in whether or not you should move up. You are not playing poker to feel terrible. To play professionally (or even recreational) you need to be able to deal with this happening. When it makes you play scared and not play your best game, you shouldn't be playing at those stakes.

With that said, there is an adjustment when you move up in stakes and you have to get used to the higher sums of money going in. Let us know how you're feeling after you play some more hands.
 
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