Arcelas
Rock Star
Silver Level
the first 4 hands in my opinion are worse than 72os. JTos is only a steal hand in my opinion, the same value as j4os. It takes a very strong reading ability to know when your are ahead or behind with those hands. for us mere mortals, I say fold 'em.
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BluffYou123
Back in the Game
Silver Level
You're most likely saving money by not playing them. They are often dominated hands so you're only playing them in hope of hitting 2 pair or better. That said, if you manage to flop a straight against a TPTK hand against the right opponent you can stack them. This is not going to happen very often so probably best to just fold preflop.
MidyMat
Rock Star
Silver Level
I was going to leave my opinon, but you stole the words out of my mouth or I guess fingers..........
Four Dogs
Legend
Silver Level
I usually don't play these hands from early position but IMO it's hard to lose alot as they're all pretty easy to get away from when you flop top pair vs heavy action. Still, I would open raise all of these hands from the button virtually every time where my PT3 data base shows I have a solid 31BB/100. How are you playing them?
sCATpoker
Legend
Silver Level
Thats easy than if you are losing money with those hands , dont play them, seems pretty cut and dry to me. I mean would you go to a change machine put in a dollar and it only gives you back two dimes and a nickel. Than keep going back there putting in dollars getting less than a dollar back in hopes it may give you a buck fifty someday. I think not.
Four Dogs
Legend
Silver Level
I might if I saw someone else getting back $1.10. These hands are tough to play if you're the type who overvalues top pair but if there's no reason you can't play them from late position. Again, the question is not whether they're playable but rather when where and how you play them. I guarantee, if you only open raise from the button and with a continuation bet on the flop whether or not you connect, you will come out ahead.
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watchtowel
Visionary
Silver Level
The standard steal then cbet can be done with any hand. These hands are profitable if I do that, but in terms of playing them to showdown I don't seem to be fairing well and I am past the stage where I overvalue top pair (mostly...)
CheckraiseLife
Rock Star
Silver Level
Tricky one, imo just because your table image and playing virtually any hand in position can be profitable.
if your not raising trash hands in position then your vpip is really gunna look nitty, and nits dont get paid off by anyone but fish. I think its worth taking slight losses with these hands (maybe learn to play position better longrun, to eventually profit and become better lognterm ) since you will be paid off more with your big hands not just by fish but by good/bad regs as well.
if your not raising trash hands in position then your vpip is really gunna look nitty, and nits dont get paid off by anyone but fish. I think its worth taking slight losses with these hands (maybe learn to play position better longrun, to eventually profit and become better lognterm ) since you will be paid off more with your big hands not just by fish but by good/bad regs as well.
Four Dogs
Legend
Silver Level
I agree completely. So if you'll agree that these hands are better than any 2 cards then there's only 2 reasons why you should be losing with them from late position, variance or you're having a hard time getting away from your losing hands. It may be a simple pot control issue. Unlike pairs and Ax hands, when you get called on the flop on a bluff CB you're almost always behind. Either your opponent has paired the board or they've got you beat with 2 high cards. Occasionally you might have a high card vs some kind of draw but if the board is extremely dry then you're just plain behind and now you're the one drawing to a pair. At this point just check it down if you can and try to get to showdown. Otherwise just let it go.
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watchtowel
Visionary
Silver Level
I think it is like when you have Q10 and hit the queen it just takes that little bit longer to realize you are behind rather than if you have 67s and hit a 7. That little extra that goes into the pot when you are dominated adds up overtime.
Poker Orifice
FoolsTilt
Platinum Level
this ^
... & alot wider range than the types of hands you've mentioned here.
bullishwwd
Legend
Loyaler
It depends on a lot of other factors ... all should be played ... all should be folded ... under certain circumstances and I KNOW you realize this. From the button, generally all of these should be played (raised) especially if most folks have folded to you. My 2 chips, Wally
