Am I calling 3 bets too often?

Hi, I have just recently started playing cash on pokerstars, having previously been a sit&go player.
I think I have already spotted a leak in my game. Here is an example:
If I am in the cut off or button position and it is folded round to me and I have 89s I make a 3x raise to .48 (16nl game) , the bb then 3 bets me to 1.50. I then tend to make the call thinking I have position and if my hand hits I have good chance of taking all his chips if he has a big pair.
BUT should this just be a fold to his re raise, cos I often find myself in a tough spot after flop with top pair for example, left hoping he has ak.
I should mention that for this example I have no knowledge of villians style as is often the case when I am multi tabling and we are both say 100 bb deep.
Any advice would be appreciated, cheers.

How is that strategy of cracking big pairs working out?

Just fold man. Stop playing big pots to see flops and try to outdraw your oponent, it is definately not profitable since the villain will most of the times lead out with a bet when the flop hits, and with a hand like 89s most of the times you'll flop top/mid pair, in the best case scenario some good draw which is going to be way too expensive for you to draw.

If you think you are being 3bet too many times, just 4bet pre-flop and define the hand right there to prevent getting stolen everytime.

baudib1 said:

How is that strategy of cracking big pairs working out?

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How is this helping? OP is asking for advice...

You frequently show up with these snobby one sentence posts.

OP says he calls with those hands because he can take all their chips if he hits. If he's hitting/winning all the chips there wouldn't be a need for a thread.

baudib1 said:

OP says he calls with those hands because he can take all their chips if he hits. If he's hitting/winning all the chips there wouldn't be a need for a thread.

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Sorry man, perhaps I'm a bit grouchy myself.

But I like to try and help people in their quest to get better.

He did take the time to create the thread, and that says something. He is trying to get better.



@ OP:

Don't call 3-bets often with spec hands. Just release them to aggression.

There are exceptions to this, like pot is 3-bet from BB and limpers all call, giving you odds perhaps. 4-way to flop maybe ok.

But not a great idea in general.

baudib1 said:

OP says he calls with those hands because he can take all their chips if he hits. If he's hitting/winning all the chips there wouldn't be a need for a thread.

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If you will not say anything to help the OP, why do you bother saying anything at all?

I guess the point in posting a thread in a forum is to get different opinions on whether you are making a good or a bad move and what could you do to make your plays more profitable.
If you are irritated by the post cause it is way too obvious the answer for you, just close the page and open your own thread.

Pretty sure my question was the best post in this thread, and the most helpful to OP.

Sure if you believe sarcasm is a good way to educate.

Keep this in mind,

every time you call a 3-bet and you miss the flop with 89s and you C-bet and get called... for example, 8-10-4-(HC) high card Board on turn - your pretty much in bad shape

and everytime you call a 3-bet with 89s and face a raise when you check, what can you do?
Since your missing the flop too often and getting bad implied odds to often its going to be a -EV play long term assuming their 3-bet range is going to be ahead of your spec.

Filtering out these hands is fine and calling a few in position for cheap, because essentially thats where your going to make the most money from a spec hand, when you crack a strong hand.

theirs no harms in playing them occasionally against weaker players in a good spot, but only if you feel your post flop game is strong enough

baudib1 said:

How is that strategy of cracking big pairs working out?

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I've got lucky a few times, but I suspect it is not a good play long term, hence the reason for the thread. As I had stated I am a cash table newbie, but apologies if my question is too inane for your liking.

Sortuto,Beanfacekila and Cotta777, I am not sure how to do multile quotes in one reply, but thankyou very much for your advice. This is exacly why I joined CC.

I had suspected that my calling in those spots was a losing play over the long term, but having it explained and confirmed by a few of you is a great help.
I used to play a lot of heads up sit&goes where a 3 bet was not necessarily a sign of a big hand and folding to it a high percentage of times would not be optimal (in my opinion). But I fully appreciate that a cash ring game is a whole new scenario and that is why I want to run a few questions through here.

I am enjoying the challenge of playing cash and, like most people I am keen to beat my current level and move up levels over time. I know I have a lot to learn, but the less you know the easier it is to improve and just this one issue alone will have stopped one leak for me, so once again thanks.

*I did consider posting this in the learning poker forum, but wasn't sure how many experienced players would have read it. Should I post any similar questions in there? Or am I ok to post in here (cash games)?

I personally dont mind flatting 3bets in position with suited connectors . And yes, if you do hit hard then you can stack villain. The thing is that most often then not, when you get 3bet and you flat, you lose money because you do not connect to the flop as often as you would like.

If your In position and there is another caller in between you and the 3bettor and you are getting the right price then you MIGHT want to be flatting .

In general though, folding as default would probably be the most profitable long term move.
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in long run you will be losing 2/3

this strategy is quite hard working in the long run unless you are playing a hu but then call a 3bet with 8-9 maybe you will be losing more than 2/3 of times, however if you think is giving positive results well keep doing it

odds are quite clear, for instance, regular players (substracting those bluffers less than 10% ) will 3bet with a top pair, AK or AQs, so unless you are in long streak of luck getting so many boards lifting your hands in a very unlikely way, the fact is with so strategy your are starting behind mostly all hands

I generally fold if I get three bet in that spot. Rarely you will flop a straight or flush, but even then you're vulnerable - to a higher flush for example.

Most times you hit you're gonna make one pair or hit a draw. In which case you're gonna have to pay to see more.

Other times you hit air and you need to fold.

And even IF you make a big hand, villain may not pay you off.

only call 3 bet against very loose players who are going to push their stacks no matter what flop comes. if you hit a straight or flush you can win lots of money from them. try to avoid paying tight players as they could be possible having at least queens, and your chances of winning are in the best scenario ( against ak or aq, 40%)
so its not worth it to risk a considerable part of your stack, with these odds.

Calling 3bets in position depends alot on villian. If villian is 3betting you a lot and you are playing fit or fold on the flop, then you are going to lose money in the long run. Maybe a better option would be to 4bet pre. If villain is a tight nit and will go broke on any flop with high pockets then calling and seeing a flop can be profitable.

You also have to look at how villain is playing postflop. Is he the person that will just fire flop and give up on turn if does not have anything? If this is true and you hit a pair on the flop, you can call the flop bet and get to showdown at a cheap price. If villain is aggressive and fires many double barrels then I would be more prone to fold on the flop.

So the answer to your question really depends on how villain is playing. You have to figure out what you believe will be the most profitable line.