All in pre with AK

I kind of feel like I know this answer but just want some opinions on it.

25NL and I am facing an all in raise from a short stack who has to have a low to medium pocket pair and I have AK, is it -EV to make this call?

The situation was going like this, there is a short stack to my right that I was kind of bullying with raises pre when he kept trying to limp and finally it goes like this

He is SB and I am BB and he once again limps in for .25, I raise to $1.00 and he shoves for $10. I am sitting here with AKo and am pretty sure he does not have AA or KK or he would of called to see a flop or did a smaller raise. I am pretty sure he is just frustrated because I was running him over and I figured he had a weak holding such as a medium pocket pair or maybe AJ AQ AK.

I call and he turns over 44 and they hold up.

Since any pocket pair is a favorite over AK is my call bad? Or is it +EV since he could of had AJ AQ or AK also which I had dominated/split.

I personally think it was a decent call on my part and was probably +EV, but since pokerstove is expired it is hard to tell

Anyone help me update pokerstove to get it working again?

Edit, I also feel like getting it all in pre with AK in a cash game is best if I am the one shoving since it also gives me a decent amount of fold equity, but is calling all in pre with AK a mistake?(That is the main question really.)

AK its 50+% if he get QQ JJ 1010 then I think its 48/52 for him 2 percents more if he haves lower than 10 you get 50/50

erlanditas said:

AK its 50+% if he get QQ JJ 1010 then I think its 48/52 for him 2 percents more if he haves lower than 10 you get 50/50

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Oh straight blockers, never thought of that. Makes me feel better about my call since I figured he had 77-99 or AJ+

Thanks for the reply

You can't get the exact odds at the table, but since there's some dead money in the pot, it's a call with any hand where you think you're a slight dog. If you think you're favored, it's an obvious call. Fwiw, if you eliminate AA KK from his range and give him AJ+ 44-QQ, you're about an 11:9 favorite.

Easy fold here. I thought he has a pair hand. The percentage of your hand to his is coinflip or 52 vs 48 almost the same percentage. Your pot odds is terrible.

hffjd2000 said:

Easy fold here. I thought he has a pair hand. The percentage of your hand to his is coinflip or 52 vs 48 almost the same percentage. Your pot odds is terrible.

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+1
Same thinking like me .. but there is and one more thing
If you imagine that you have AK and your opponent against you bet the same amount of money but his stack is bigger than yours would you still pay with AK?

IPlay said:

I personally think it was a decent call on my part and was probably +EV, but since pokerstove is expired it is hard to tell

Anyone help me update pokerstove to get it working again?

Edit, I also feel like getting it all in pre with AK in a cash game is best if I am the one shoving since it also gives me a decent amount of fold equity, but is calling all in pre with AK a mistake?(That is the main question really.)

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You could use equilab, is like pokerstove but better.

http://download.pokerstrategy.com/poker-tools/equilab-holdem/download/equilab.exe

i think you bullied him a bit long thats why he just waited for any pair to shove... it was his revange ...

i am kinda sceptic going allin with AK... lost quite a bit in few days so its a no no to me...
when your AK gets cracked by 22-66 than you feel baaaad:stickyman

its a gamble mate...just a coin flip id call him as he was shortstacked in the SB

I can't believe people want to fold AK there WTF?

1) He is a shorty and their shoving ranges there include a lot of Aces so not every hand is a pocket pair. SB vs BB in general is an excellent opportunity for him to snatch 3-4bb since many players autoraise SB limpers.
2) If he is frustrated and tilting, he can do this with any suited Ace, any pair and maybe even wider.
3) Calling 9$ in 20$ pot needs 45% equity and we can argue it is borderline blah blah mental masturbation, BUT if you start folding AK then he is going to annihilate you (since you call pretty much never). Shorties rely on fold equity quite a bit and their actual equity is a backup if they get called.

You are usually taking a coinflip against a normal person or maybe you have him dominated with a weaker ace. Usually, a person in microstakes (not all) think sb/bb that an ace is good enough to shove and any pocket pair. So you are either flipping or dominating them. So looking at your pot odds, the best thing to do is call and hope you win. So I think calling is the best option.

If its below 50 bbs I would never worry about getting ak in against someone. It becomes much more villain dependent after that.

Easy call.

About Stove: https://www.cardschat.com/forum/pok...d-anyone-have-a-link-237522/post-2264327.html

hffjd2000 said:

Easy fold here. I thought he has a pair hand. The percentage of your hand to his is coinflip or 52 vs 48 almost the same percentage. Your pot odds is terrible.

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Incorrect. The pot odds aren't even close to terrible. They're in your favor.

When he shoves for $10, you are faced with calling $9 more to win a pot that would be $20. This gives you more than enough pot odds to offset being behind by a few %.

By calling as a 52:48 dog, you win $20 48% of the time, so your EV for your $9 call is $9.60 or +$0.60 compared to folding.

Arjonius said:

Incorrect. The pot odds aren't even close to terrible. They're in your favor.

When he shoves for $10, you are faced with calling $9 more to win a pot that would be $20. This gives you more than enough pot odds to offset being behind by a few %.

By calling as a 52:48 dog, you win $20 48% of the time, so your EV for your $9 call is $9.60 or +$0.60 compared to folding.

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Yup, I ran it through equilab and I was a 54% favorite to win vs his range so not a bad call because of the situation and the fact that I was running him over with raises for so long and his shoving range was quite wide.

If this was a short stack that I had no read on, folding is the +EV option because their shoving range narrows quite a bit.

I think the call is certainly correct against a short stacked blind vs blind confrontation.

I think that every one has different decision about this situation. Actually we all know that AKoff is behind every pair pre flop. And big favourite vs weaker A. This situation is coin flip so it is more gambling than poker skills. My decision about this hand depends on 2 things.
1) If i have successfull session and i am feeling lucky and winning then i won't miss this AK hand for nothing in the world.
2) If i feel unlucky with coin flips and i want to win money with poker skills i can fold the hand with ease.

el_magiciann said:

I think that every one has different decision about this situation. Actually we all know that AKoff is behind every pair pre flop. And big favourite vs weaker A. This situation is coin flip so it is more gambling than poker skills. My decision about this hand depends on 2 things.
1) If i have successfull session and i am feeling lucky and winning then i won't miss this AK hand for nothing in the world.
2) If i feel unlucky with coin flips and i want to win money with poker skills i can fold the hand with ease.

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I am not sure but this sounds like it would be a major leak in your game.

el_magiciann said:

I think that every one has different decision about this situation. Actually we all know that AKoff is behind every pair pre flop. And big favourite vs weaker A. This situation is coin flip so it is more gambling than poker skills. My decision about this hand depends on 2 things.
1) If i have successfull session and i am feeling lucky and winning then i won't miss this AK hand for nothing in the world.
2) If i feel unlucky with coin flips and i want to win money with poker skills i can fold the hand with ease.

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lol pure gold post.

I guess those us who don't have magical skill should probably follow what LD said.

@LD you nailed it m8, great post

only with aa there is advantage
other major ranges are a 60/40 with the rationality of the variance

el_magiciann said:

I think that every one has different decision about this situation. Actually we all know that AKoff is behind every pair pre flop. And big favourite vs weaker A. This situation is coin flip so it is more gambling than poker skills. My decision about this hand depends on 2 things.
1) If i have successfull session and i am feeling lucky and winning then i won't miss this AK hand for nothing in the world.
2) If i feel unlucky with coin flips and i want to win money with poker skills i can fold the hand with ease.

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Even if you're against a pocket pair, you get 9:11 odds which would be about just the correct odds to call. Never never never NEVER am I folding in this spot, considering theres a lot of AX you are dominating. Especially if you have been running him over he might be shoving wider since he perceives you to be weak.

Poker is still a game of both skill AND luck(well math) and if you are a mathematical favourite, you are losing value in the long run by folding because you feel unlucky. You should push every edge and learn to handle the variance.

Doubt he's ever shoving with AA/KK, I'm expecting lots of JJ/1010 type here which makes our hand profitable as long as he does this once in a while with AQ/AJish

its a thin spot but making the correct decision is important. You have to call here and expect to see a VERY SLIGHT bit of profit in the long run. 44 was certainly in opponents range but you'll take it.
The real +ev comes from the fact that when shortstack has hands like AQ, AJ, A10, KQ, KJ you are way ahead. It wouldn't surprise me if opponent flipped one of these up. you said they were short and you were playing solid, so if they got desperate these would be on the looser end of their range.
Ultimately, its a call.
Your probably only seeing a 1-2% profit margin in the long run in this EXACT spot but we are poker players, we'll take that.