AJs in the SB - How would you play it?

EvertonGirl · Sep 14, 2018

This is my seventh hand of the "How would you play it" series.
Again it will be a play by play.

€2/€4 6-Max 6 players

Villain (BN): €692
Hero (SB): €422
Villain (BB): €168

Pre flop: (pot: €6) Hero has J♥ A♥

Folded to BN, BN raises to €10 Hero??

Would you call, or raise?

Misaki · Sep 14, 2018

it's easy 3bet for value preflop.You will get calls from many worse hands.

nml · Sep 14, 2018

EvertonGirl said:
This is my seventh hand of the "How would you play it" series.
Again it will be a play by play.

€2/€4 6-Max 6 players

Villain (BN): €692
Hero (SB): €422
Villain (BB): €168

Pre flop: (pot: €6) Hero has J♥ A♥

Folded to BN, BN raises to €10 Hero??

Would you call, or raise?

Would depend on the profile of the button and BB. For most players, they are raising with 30-40% of hands, which you are massively ahead of.

So I’m probably reraising because I want to take it down preflop so I don’t have to play OOP. Especially if button is tight.

AG04CAS · Sep 14, 2018

Too strong a hand to fold in SB ... 3bet on larger size....raising all day long unless up against a nit.

Jon Poker · Sep 14, 2018

AG04CAS said:
Too strong a hand to fold in SB ... 3bet on larger size....raising all day long unless up against a nit.

Bingo, buttons range is way too wide for you not to he 3 betting such a strong hand. You want to take control of the pot and possibly take it down right then and there anyhow. Flatting may allow the BB to call as well then you go to the flop 3 ways which hurts your equity...or flatting could also allow the BB to make a squeeze play and put you in a really awkward situation.

I like the 3bet here, and a good sized one...somewhere around $28 - $35. That SHOULD take care of the BB and most of his hands and if the btn calls you, he is likely going to play you with caution.

8bod8 · Sep 14, 2018

no stats, so no info.
likely 3bet, just for pot control, give a sign to BN: I've got something.
beware that sb is a lousy position from flop onwards.

Viparida · Sep 16, 2018

yes, i would 3 bet or at least call depending on the player who pre raised. Fold is not na option here dude.

TJH90 · Sep 16, 2018

3 bet for me, stinks of button power play. You then control action.

EvertonGirl · Sep 17, 2018

Here is what hero did:

Folded to BN, BN raises to €10, Hero raises to €36, 1 fold, BN raises to €80, Hero??

What would your action be now?

LILBIGL · Sep 17, 2018

this hand is to strong to fold! i would never fold this by a raise of 10.-

The Boss · Sep 17, 2018

EvertonGirl said:
This is my seventh hand of the "How would you play it" series.
Again it will be a play by play.

€2/€4 6-Max 6 players

Villain (BN): €692
Hero (SB): €422
Villain (BB): €168

Pre flop: (pot: €6) Hero has J♥ A♥

Folded to BN, BN raises to €10 Hero??

Would you call, or raise?

It is primarily dependent on how aggressive the BN is. What is his likely range for raising? What hands would he likely call a raise with or 3-bet with? The problem here in the problem is a lack of statistics and information to make a better informed decision.

In this situation if I were to have little to no information about the BN or BB, I would lean towards 3-betting because:

1. Players on the button will most likely have a wide range of hands to raise with so I suspect my AJs is likely to beat most of my opponent's range there.
2. If I call the raise, then the BB has good odds to also call meaning in postflop play I will be out of position against two players.
3. The stack sizes are large relative to the blinds.

danoscar · Sep 17, 2018

AJs

Good question.
Against top quarter hands at preflop you have about 58.3% chance of winning. In ate position, you could 3 bet if everyone has folded around to the SB. I comfortably would 3bet from the CO position or later. The hand ranks in the top 15% of hands. It can also be played from early position, but against the top 10% of hands I would beware. With a hand like that, be careful from early and even middle position. Always beware of any early position 3bet when you have that. CO or later if I have that hand, myself. I am 25% at CO, 50% at BTN, 43% at SB and 100% at BB with this hand. Overall, I am 42.3% wins out of 26 bets (11 wins). To help any further check this out:
Against a random hand - 65.4% chance*
Against top half hands - 63.7%*
Against top qtr hands - 58.3%*
Against top 10% hands - 45.1%*
Hope this helps.

Dan'O
Gader
* Full Tilt poker strategy Guide, 2007, Michael Craig.
:deal: Good luck. A tuff, but good hand to play!

Zhubiitis · Sep 17, 2018

EvertonGirl said:
This is my seventh hand of the "How would you play it" series.
Again it will be a play by play.

€2/€4 6-Max 6 players

Villain (BN): €692
Hero (SB): €422
Villain (BB): €168

Pre flop: (pot: €6) Hero has J♥ A♥

Folded to BN, BN raises to €10 Hero??

Would you call, or raise?

i think its re-raise because button very often steel blinds

xbronk · Sep 17, 2018

I would climb you have a decent kicker foldearia if you kick K or Q without possibility of stairs if you only call for your position the ups only to run you by the hand

cguru:

poliaris747 · Sep 17, 2018

I always ask a question to the player who offers to give an answer to some game situation-what is the style of play of your opponents? You spent some time with them at the table and you should have notes on them!!! Well, who will give you advice if it is not known how each of the opponents react to a bluff or 3 bet?

elizeuof · Sep 17, 2018

I would raise preflop, 3 times the villain's bet, after this increase I would stay out of position, would have invested a reasonable amount in the pot, and would be playing against a player in position and with more chips.

I would need to have more readings so I could decide how to proceed, if I did not have enough readings I would get very confused because a lot of the combinations of flop cards could still leave me behind and lose to most of the villain's hands, so I would only play flush , sequence or two pairs.

In this specific situation I believe I would pay this time only if I did not have other readings, but would not give other calls if I could not get good information in this situation.

chrism412 · Sep 17, 2018

Unless I had some history or some VERY good info that Button was getting out of line, I'm folding to his 4 bet every time. In my local casino, at the $1-$3 NL tables; this play is a top 5 starting hand almost every time. Being OOP AND dominated is a situation I try to avoid at much as possible.

I could see 77 or 88-TT in the button's range.... some of the time. But then you're basically flipping and just hoping to hit the flop. Again... out of position. If he's trying to protect QQ or KK, he's doing a good job.

Being somewhat deep, you still have enough room to play back and get some folds from some players, but I think that's just throwing away chips without any stone cold lock type reads.

I"m curious to see results.

acemenow · Sep 17, 2018

At this point you need more of a read on the villain IMO.

If I have no real read on the person I am folding here unless I feel like gambling (which is legit too, as you have a reasonable shot at the win), I am a bit nitty though so would fold unless I knew he was over aggressive.

EvertonGirl said:
This is my seventh hand of the "How would you play it" series.
Again it will be a play by play.

€2/€4 6-Max 6 players

Villain (BN): €692
Hero (SB): €422
Villain (BB): €168

Pre flop: (pot: €6) Hero has J♥ A♥

Folded to BN, BN raises to €10 Hero??

Would you call, or raise?

EvertonGirl said:
Here is what hero did:

Folded to BN, BN raises to €10, Hero raises to €36, 1 fold, BN raises to €80, Hero??

What would your action be now?

gerrrr · Sep 17, 2018

I equal and play to surprise the rival.

playinggameswithu · Sep 17, 2018

AJ is lose a big pot win a small pot hand. Their is months of low stakes online MTT play in your stack. I'd just call see if I can get the 14.5 to 1 nut flush for realively cheap. AJ plays bad in cash games when you are trying to out kick to get value.

8bod8 · Sep 18, 2018

EvertonGirl said:
Here is what hero did:

Folded to BN, BN raises to €10, Hero raises to €36, 1 fold, BN raises to €80, Hero??

What would your action be now?

Funny, little reaction until now.

Villain claims to have high pair, right?
I would use:
aspect 1: gut-feel
aspect 2: pot odds, pot is 136$, you need to pay 44 to stay in the game
with simple calculation it seems a close call (I'm not good at all in ev calcs).
for me: most likely call, certainly not a raise.

Spewster · Sep 18, 2018

Pretty easy decision IMO.

Any hand in the SB is always 3bet or fold. Never call in the SB untill you like to get squeezed.

When you get 4bet and you have no info on villain (like is he a guy who does 4bet light, or is this the first cbet you've seen from him?), you pretty much have to fold AJs.

Playability of suited cards are close to zero in a 3bet/4bet pot, you pretty much have to flop a flush or a str8. So suited or not, doesn't matter in those situations.

So what's left is a J with a strong kicker and an A with a weak one. Good to 3bet with, but fold vs 4bet every time, untill villain is 4betting light.

Zikasamaster · Sep 19, 2018

EvertonGirl said:
This is my seventh hand of the "How would you play it" series.
Again it will be a play by play.

€2/€4 6-Max 6 players

Villain (BN): €692
Hero (SB): €422
Villain (BB): €168

Pre flop: (pot: €6) Hero has J♥ A♥

Folded to BN, BN raises to €10 Hero??

Would you call, or raise?[/QUOTE
I think i 3bet to 28 or 30 or 32 eur,from that pozition he might raise a wight range just to pick up blinds and he is in pozition,is a little tricky because you play off pozition,but you have 3bet use that.....

EvertonGirl · Sep 19, 2018

Folded to BN, BN raises to €10, Hero raises to €36, 1 fold, BN raises to €80, Hero calls.

Flop: (€161, 2 players) 2♥ Q♦ 4♥
Hero checks, BN raises to €62, Hero??

Do you call or raise?

PaxMundi · Sep 19, 2018

EvertonGirl said:
Folded to BN, BN raises to €10, Hero raises to €36, 1 fold, BN raises to €80, Hero calls.

Flop: (€161, 2 players) 2♥ Q♦ 4♥
Hero checks, BN raises to €62, Hero??

Do you call or raise?

What are your cards ?

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