Advice on this river line please

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River line - Would you have called, raised or shipped it?

Notes on villain

Playing 2x8nl tables
Donked TP good kick and played it as the nuts in a previous hand
Seems to bet out when they have something
Ok player for the level, but nothing special

Notes on my play

Pre and flop is fairly obv
Turn I checked behind to try and get them to bluff or bet a worse flush on the river
River I bet super small to get a crying call from worse
 

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Obviously a pretty wet board,i would check/fold on the river.
 
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Hi joe

Fold the nut flush on a paired board? Even given the really good odds.

Besides, we are in positon so we cannot check/fold, if we check behind it goes to showdown.
 
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Generally on the river I found if we doubt the hand. we usually get a cheaper price to call down if we check/call.

If we bet we will most of the time get a fold or a raise.

So check/call i'd say is optimal. Unless our opponent is a fish or weak player then i'm generally raising and calling anything he wants to sacrifice for us :)
 
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Check call.. if you are up against a set or 2pair on such a flop you are probably getting raised for hand protection. Therefore it makes it even more possible that you are up against a bluff or a valuebet of a worse hand (like Jhigh flush or trips?) Cant fold the nut flush in this board... especially with the way it played out.
 
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I will post the outcome tomorrow in case there are any more opinions.
 
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I'm pretty much snap calling this... We get like 5.5 to 1 on a call and villain can easily have bluffs in his range here. If he only bluffs 20% of the time in this spot your making money. When you check behind on the turn then bet the river you have bluffs and Kx (which could still be considered a bluff) in your range once villain checks too, especially when you bet so small. He could easily have made this assumption/read (as you intended when you checked back the turn) and decided to bluff raise here. At these stakes there is a "cheap bluff mentality" thats exactly what this smells like to me tbh, although it could also be thin value from Js/Ts making a similar read. I should say I do expect to be beat at least some of the time however, but does villain really just flat 44 or KQ on that flop?

I am never raising however, then we do only get action from exactly KQ and 44 and of course JTss.
 
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Also, what are all the check/call suggestions above? Hero has position so this is not even an option...
 
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Hi joe

Fold the nut flush on a paired board? Even given the really good odds.

Besides, we are in positon so we cannot check/fold, if we check behind it goes to showdown.

LOL,i misread your hand.OK in this situation a call should be enough imo.
 
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Thanks for the comments.

I did just flat call as I didnt see anything worse calling if I raised. Not sure if villain was bluffing, or had a 2 colour deck and misread their hand.
 

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I'm having a heck of a time trying to figure out the hand history. Looking like 3 handed? I'm not sure, whatever.

Main point is £7.92 effective stacks.

On the flop (£1.74) you have an overpair with a draw to nut flush and you bet (£0.72). Are your cbets usually this small?

I'd be betting more like £1.20-1.50 on the flop, giving us a turn with (£4.14) and effective stacks of £6.35. Should be able to get stacks in from here.

Even as is at the turn you gotta bet. The spades are clearly there. If he doesn't have a hand so be it, he'll fold. But you're not setting this guy up to get stacked by checking through. You have a hand, bet it!

River is weird, I think he has another one card flush and you both "trapped" each other. But sometimes villain shows K9/KQ, or is just spazzing.

I just re-jam this river because I expect villain to call with a bunch of flushes here.

*Edit*
Saw results, and just wow. I vote he misread, because my read was he had the flush and I like being right ;).
 
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