Advice on how tro play this strange reg

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stg1969

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I'm sure that most of you have come across this type of player, so i'm wondering apart from the obvious (tighten up)....what other advice you would give, because I find myself changing my game when I play him.

its 2NL, and you can buy in with up to 500BB, but he buys in with 80 cents and sits there..

His stats over 800 or so hands that ive played with him are 18/14 but all he only ever makes 2 moves... fold or allin. I'm not exaggerating either, he just shoves his 80c on his 18%...

Now the problem is, you could say, just fold unless you have AA KK or AK, but he will shove and show down A6 off...and then when I call him with AQ he has AK or AA...it's really starting to get to me..

I could just fold this guy out, but if he's acting after me on a table, i'm finding myself folding hands that I would normally raise with, because the hand isnt perhaps strong enough to call a shove..

Oh and as soon as he doubles up, he leaves the table, obviously not wanting to shove with his 1.60, and joins another table.

Is this a common player type, and what do you suggest I do...
 
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This is an idiot player type who doesn't know how to play poker!

18% is a wide shoving range...all you have to do is call with a tighter range and you should profit from him.
 
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I don't know why anyone would want to shortstack at a deep stack table, but it may help to understand that this style doesn't automatically mark a person as an idiot. Note that I'm not saying shortstackers are good players or that it's a good style. However, there are plenty of non-shortstackers who are worse than the better shortstackers.

Shortstacking is basically a shove or fold style based on non-standard thinking. Most players, myself included, want to play big pots with strong ranges so that we win the majority of them. A shortstacker doesn't have to.

For example, lets say he wins half the times he shoves and is called. This is profitable because when he wins, (a) he often gets a little more than a double-up because of the blinds, plus (b) some of his wins are vs. multiple opponents. In addition, he wins the blinds and any dead money when he isn't called.

What this adds up to is a high-variance style that, even at best, doesn't have a big edge. But it's not necessarily as stupid as some may think.

As noted, the way to play them is simply to have a stronger range. You do have to accept high variance depending how thin you're willing to play for his stack. For instance, it's profitable to play a 15% range vs this guy's 18%, but you'll lose nearly half the time.
 
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Arjonius said:
I don't know why anyone would want to shortstack at a deep stack table, but it may help to understand that this style doesn't automatically mark a person as an idiot. Note that I'm not saying shortstackers are good players or that it's a good style. However, there are plenty of non-shortstackers who are worse than the better shortstackers.

Shortstacking is basically a shove or fold style based on non-standard thinking. Most players, myself included, want to play big pots with strong ranges so that we win the majority of them. A shortstacker doesn't have to.

For example, lets say he wins half the times he shoves and is called. This is profitable because when he wins, (a) he often gets a little more than a double-up because of the blinds, plus (b) some of his wins are vs. multiple opponents. In addition, he wins the blinds and any dead money when he isn't called.

What this adds up to is a high-variance style that, even at best, doesn't have a big edge. But it's not necessarily as stupid as some may think.

As noted, the way to play them is simply to have a stronger range. You do have to accept high variance depending how thin you're willing to play for his stack. For instance, it's profitable to play a 15% range vs this guy's 18%, but you'll lose nearly half the time.
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As usual your comments are very informative. My advice might be to not play at his table. 800 hands is a lot of brain damage for what appears as little profit. ;)
 
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Arjonius said:
I don't know why anyone would want to shortstack at a deep stack table, but it may help to understand that this style doesn't automatically mark a person as an idiot.
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OK maybe idiot was a bit harsh but playing like this requires very little skill, must be extremely boring, and probably isn't that profitable.
 
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