Advice for a PLO noob?

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I was playing some PLO cash games last night on pokerstars after being told by a story by a friend of mine how he went up 20 buy in one session which i thought was pretty spectacular so i thought i would give it a try. However, it did not turn out so great. I started playing at moderate 10plo stake and went down 15 buyins in the space of about 2 hours. I don't know what happened it was surreal but i received more coolers than a bar man. Here is some. 2nd nut flushes vs nut flushes straights vs higher straights full boats vs higher full boats even a full boat vs quads im like what the hell can the game be this difficult to make money from? I have tried to adhere to what the strategy articles say to do on this site but im like wtf is up with this game so i quit i have no idea how my friend went up 20 buyins he must be full of shit. What am i doing wrong? Am i just a bad player or unlucky or maybe even both. I don't want to make this my primary game it would just be good to make some extra money on the side from what i do now. It would be nice to become at least competent at PLO but not im not looking to become an expert by any means.
 
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Most hold em players run into a bit of trouble at first as the value of second nut hands , 2 pair and sets etc. are diminished in Omaha. It is really a post flop game as no starting hands are inherently as strong as AA or KK as they are in hold em .Fun game once you play it awhile , lots more action.
 
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No offense, but your probably pretty bad.
unless you plan on truly attempting to learn the game, don't bother imo.

PLO is much more complicated and played far differently from nl holdem, so will only mess w/your game


and your friend could easily have gone up 20 bis in one session if you dropped 15 in one....just saying
 
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I used to play micro omaha cash as my main game when I played, here's some brief advice:

-I'm assuming your playing .10/.20 but I could be wrong. If you are I would say play tight; tighten your hand range significantly preflop especially out of position. If you want to loosen up make sure its in position, its too important in omaha. You def don't want to be playing out of position with non nut draw hands against people that don't understand the complexities of omaha bluffing, it'll get you ran over consistently.

-don't get into big pots without the nuts especially if you don't have good reads on your opponents, usually people overplay weaker hands significantly at that stake and you don't want to be in there with them if you don't feel like you can confidently call.

-If your going to play aces aggressive preflop, try to isolate the pot and get roughly 70% or more of your stack in preflop. Other then that it's probably not worth it and there are probably people on here that would tell you not to even do that. Don't get out of control preflop with any other pair. At those stakes I wouldn't even raise other pairs unless you have wide range of other hands you would raise as well. Rockets isn't always easy to read in hold em, but in omaha alot of times its a dead giveaway for rookie players that only raise pairs preflop (which makes it easier to bust players doing this if you spot it).

-I wouldn't do too much bluffing at that level, but generally in omaha the turn is the best bluff card. You want to bluff made draws, pay attention to board texture. When I say bluffing I mean big bets on made draws, outside of that, when your in position in small pots you want to be betting with air more often then not unless its a calling station. Don't be in a rush every single time to get your money in on the flop because you have a made hand, its not always a good idea even when you flop a set.
 
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Narrow your starting hand selection and watch strategy videos. Don't play out of position. Call less. Avoid marginal spots. You should approach PLO with an "I know nothing" attitude and start from scratch - otherwise you will get pwned. Good luck!

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I used to play micro omaha cash as my main game when I played, here's some brief advice:

-I'm assuming your playing .10/.20 but I could be wrong. If you are I would say play tight; tighten your hand range significantly preflop especially out of position. If you want to loosen up make sure its in position, its too important in omaha. You def don't want to be playing out of position with non nut draw hands against people that don't understand the complexities of omaha bluffing, it'll get you ran over consistently.

-don't get into big pots without the nuts especially if you don't have good reads on your opponents, usually people overplay weaker hands significantly at that stake and you don't want to be in there with them if you don't feel like you can confidently call.

-If your going to play aces aggressive preflop, try to isolate the pot and get roughly 70% or more of your stack in preflop. Other then that it's probably not worth it and there are probably people on here that would tell you not to even do that. Don't get out of control preflop with any other pair. At those stakes I wouldn't even raise other pairs unless you have wide range of other hands you would raise as well. Rockets isn't always easy to read in hold em, but in omaha alot of times its a dead giveaway for rookie players that only raise pairs preflop (which makes it easier to bust players doing this if you spot it).

-I wouldn't do too much bluffing at that level, but generally in omaha the turn is the best bluff card. You want to bluff made draws, pay attention to board texture. When I say bluffing I mean big bets on made draws, outside of that, when your in position in small pots you want to be betting with air more often then not unless its a calling station. Don't be in a rush every single time to get your money in on the flop because you have a made hand, its not always a good idea even when you flop a set.

Thanks for your advice. I have just been reading up on the game and have found out that going down 15 buyins is pretty normal for Omaha because of the astronomical variance in the game. I have also learnt that complete idiots can go on insane runs and earn many buy ins while knowing very little about proper strategy. Phil galfond apparently lost $600,000 playing this game and he is an expert PLO player. So maybe i did not play so bad after all and was just a bit unlucky. Anyways i am always open to venturing into other games besides NLHE so i think i will try my hand at 7 card stud next not nearly as swingy.
 
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so i think i will try my hand at 7 card stud next not nearly as swingy.

7 Card Stud is extremely swingy. Just letting you know before we see your next thread on here just like this one except about stud ;)
 
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. I don't want to make this my primary game it would just be good to make some extra money on the side from what i do now.
If you're consistently making over $4k/mth. in nlhe MTT's (as you've stated before) then why would you want to be a PLO micro cash noob to pick up some extra money on the side? (< this doesn't make any sense to me).
I can see wanting to learn a new game & obviously wanting to learn to make money while playing it but your reasoning seems a tad odd to me:confused:

edit: guess you won't be replying... just noticed your new profile name 'banned' ... 'gg'
 
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what do people usually get banned for?
 
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