Originally Posted by DunningKruger
This isn't true. The wider they're calling the wider you can bet for value... which is pretty much the opposite of tightening up. Against someone playing too many hands and weakening their overall range you can suddenly play a lot more hands against them profitably than you would otherwise be able to. As a simplistic example of what I'm getting at, suppose someone is shoving all in pre about 40% of the time they're dealt a hand. 40 vpip is very loose even for 6max and if you call with a hand like ATs you'll be at the minimum a 3:2 favourite or thereabouts. AT isn't really a hand you'll want to call shoves with from much tighter players obv, but here it's practically a monster. Suppose they double the number of hands they're playing and now jam around 80% of the time. Are you then going to tighten up and wait around for QQ+? No. You can now profitably call even wider than before in fact QTo is a clear favourite against such a range.
It's not too far off from what I was saying actually.
If you have a loose player who calls, then you should "tighten" to value cbets. You don't need to cbet 100%, or even 80% because you can rely on your value. You don't steal as often, because you have value and don't need to steal.
You even said that against a tight player you should play tight, but looser than them. Its relative. Since most people should be playing tight by default, tight but still loose... probably looser than your standard line.
Tight and loose is relative to the player you are against. Again, the fundamental principle of tight v. loose and making those adjustments is still correct.
I think you are more nitpicking than anything else. Maybe you disagree with the terminology, but the only credible argument you offered was that you can bet for value wider against a loose preflop caller. I agree with that - you should be stealing less (play tighter). If someone is tight you can steal more broadly (play looser).
Obviously you expand your value range if someone is playing like a maniac (shoving 40% of their hands). But do you play tight to them (relatively) or loose? tight. Against the tight player do you play tight (relatively) or loose. Exactly like you said, you play loose.