ABC poker and bad cards (4nl)

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Because you cant bluff stations I have to wait for good cards in position
and my stack is like a dead duck in the water. its just staying the same 141 hands in.

Im running through hands that arent even suited or connect,. 7 9 off
k2 off even when im getting aq off on the button im missing the flop so i cant cbet.

do i just wait it out.
 
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you can cbet if you miss the flop you know :p
 
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you can cbet if you miss the flop you know :p

i know, but not on the flops im getting, and when you get aq and raise, and the flop is 3 5 7 . you dont have much credibility so you get reraised (This would be great if i made trips though)
 
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You'll go much longer. Trust me. It could be worse though, you could be on a downswing.
 
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i know, but not on the flops im getting, and when you get aq and raise, and the flop is 3 5 7 . you dont have much credibility so you get reraised (This would be great if i made trips though)
You cannot bluff some players.
But that is not a bad thing. Eventually you will get a hand where you will get paid all that you lost and a lot more. Do not force something to happen because some players cannot fold. They do not like to be bluffed and they see all the bets as bluffs. So why not value when you had it and let it go when you do not have it. Some times you are card dead for a whole session. This is a fact . It happens. You cannot get fancy at this lvls because players do not care what you might have and they do not like to be bluffed.
 
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You'll go much longer. Trust me. It could be worse though, you could be on a downswing.

i have 1.54 of my 4 dollars. i got it in with aq suited against JJ preflop and missed.

but it was a 60cent call, then the rest is just from 3 betting good hands and missing terribly.
 
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i know, but not on the flops im getting, and when you get aq and raise, and the flop is 3 5 7 . you dont have much credibility so you get reraised (This would be great if i made trips though)
Actually low coordinated flops are great for cbetting, because they miss most hands in a tighter range and result in a lot of scary turn cards you can rep.

It takes some pretty high-level thinking or maniacal lagginess to not believe a cbet on that kind of flop -- especially after a LP steal.
 
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my stack is like a dead duck in the water. its just staying the same 141 hands in.

Just fold all trash and eventually you will get good hands. If you will play trash you will lose money and that will get you tilted. After that you will spew money and so on. And btw 141 hands is nothing. There gonna be times when you will get 2 good hands in 200 and you will lose with them too. Variance sucks but you have to accept that if you want to be a better player.
 
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wait it out and if your playing a tourney and you get too short, just shove any two from cutoff or button and hold the bible tight in your hands. cause sometimes when your card-dead, your gonna have to rely on luck and lady luck comes and goes as she pleases.
 
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Stats question

Does this look about right for 6 max or can anyone see anything strange.
VPIP 26 PFR 17.7 3bet 8.9 WTSD 34.1 W$SD 43.7 Agg 2.17 Agg% 40
and also whats the difference between Agg & Agg%


sorry to crash on your post was suppose to be a new one
 
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You're flat calling too much, so you're seeing a ton of showdowns and winning only a minority of them. Vs most opponents flatting too wide is burning money, because few people show aggression without the goods. Most regs bet strong when they have a hand and fold otherwise, and most fish bet strong when they have the nuts and flat everything else.
 
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I think the biggest "psych" problem in poker is being patient.
You fold,fold, fold, get a decent hand but still gotta fold.
Eventually you flop top pair and like a idiot, overplay it.
Anyhow, that's my major problem at the moment......
 
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I think the biggest "psych" problem in poker is being patient.
You fold,fold, fold, get a decent hand but still gotta fold.
Eventually you flop top pair and like a idiot, overplay it.
Anyhow, that's my major problem at the moment......
It is true many times fold fold and when you have a big hand ends up being negative flop and end up with a top pair. Other say that this situation this negativity leads to losing control of the game, it is best to stay lose rather than to lose more when it is day, it is best to retire!:flybye:
 
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I think the biggest "psych" problem in poker is being patient.
You fold,fold, fold, get a decent hand but still gotta fold.
And then when you flop trips or 2 pair or a set, everyone ELSE folds. >.<

I'm liking HUFL better and better for this reason. It's super merged, so that every hand that actually has showdown value isn't a ****ing cooler spot.
 
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ive come to conclusion im not playing bad im just getting super varianced right now.

pocket 9s make a full house on the turn of AAQ9 board.
guy with an ace is slow playing so i got the 9 for free when i checked back.
i bet out and he flat calls, probably waiting to shove the river.
last card is a queen. I check it, he bets pot, i thought about it and folded, and to his credit he showed me the ace. I showed my 9s because it was such a sick hand to fold.

then I got my pocket jacks busted by pocket 2s .

bankroll has returned to zero (only hand 20 left) first time i have hit zero since i started playing 4 months ago only putting 10 dollars on.

I have a freeroll coming up today which I can consistently make deep runs in. Came second and won 46 dollars last month and usually get 3-4 dollars every other time.

But I want to play cash so Ill keep trying. Most online pros talk about busting their bankroll 4-5 times before never looking back, so ill take it as a learning curve, im an amateur so I have lots to learn.

just a shame I hit a down swing as I started to play better poker. (hand range and position wise)
 
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You're flat calling too much, so you're seeing a ton of showdowns and winning only a minority of them. Vs most opponents flatting too wide is burning money, because few people show aggression without the goods. Most regs bet strong when they have a hand and fold otherwise, and most fish bet strong when they have the nuts and flat everything else.
Thanks Aleksei this makes a lot of sense , solid advice as usual .
 
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Your goal when making a bet pre flop is to get heads up, if the board is heavily coordinated then check and ready to give up hand with nothing. If the board is mostly dry then cbet, if opponent calls and a scare card comes like an over card to the board I would make a second barrel in hopes your opponent will fold his 3rd pair, or 2nd pair to the board.
 
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Your goal when making a bet pre flop is to get heads up, if the board is heavily coordinated then check and ready to give up hand with nothing.
Naaah. I mean, in low coordinated boards, most ranges will usually miss, and you can put a lot of pressure in further streets on made hands, because there's loads of scary turn cars you can easily rep. Plus 2 overs type hands are just 45-55 vs an unpaired draw.

High and very coordinated flops are dangerous though.
 
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