AA, KK, QQ, JJ, butwhat is better AKs or 1010?

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AA, KK, QQ, JJ, butwhat is better AKs or 1010? what is everyone's thought on the rank of starting hands? I believe when i am playing cash games i would prefer to have AKs rather than 1010, but i enjoy seeing both of them always. Regardless 1010 is statistically superior correct? I just feel like AKs always spikes versus middling to low pairs when im seated. And if it is such agreat hand should i be 3 and 4 betting my pocket 10s regularly? any insight would be great! I am a 1/2NL live player and microstakes online.
 
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I cannot definitively say which one is better, as so much depends on other factors.

Generally speaking, however, I can say, that against many opponents I would prefer to have AKs and against one or two I would prefer the pair of tens .(suited, of course). ;)
 
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AK is more forgiving to play multiway. Playing TT, you can only play it multi-way for mining sets, because the majority of each of your opponents ranges will include at least an AKQ or J. Playing heads up you play both hands very similar to each other, playing aggressively as to get your opponents to fold before they hit. Just gotta know when to slow down.
 
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Tens are better, but only slightly. Ace king is called big slick for a reason, it is the best no pair hand, if you catch an ace or king you are likely to have the best hand. It is easy to win or lose a big pot with ace king.
 
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all pocket pairs take advantage before AKs
 
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i prefer almost any pair instead of AK preflop, it can be tricky bothways
 
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You do understand that a pair of two's is better than your AK........ Right?
Without hitting either an A or K ..... .then what do you really have? lol
 
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You do understand that a pair of two's is better than your AK........ Right?
Without hitting either an A or K ..... .then what do you really have? lol
Preflop equity wise heads up? Sure. You will win more hands with AK than you will 22 because it is harder to realize the equity of 22. If a 2 doesn't come up, how often are you betting that 22 down to the river? Just because it is the "winning" hand, how often are you going to let people bet you off of it? AK has MUCH, MUCH higher equity multi-way preflop AND you generally know when you are actually ahead, as with 22 you will only hit a set about 1 in 8 times you will more than likely be folding a lot of the "equity" that you had away as you can't actually see that you are ahead.
 
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AK

AK is considered a stronger hand than 10's. If you lokk at most poker starting hand charts AK is a bit of a better hand.
 
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TT are better than AK in percentages,heads up. But in multi way, AK is better
 
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Preflop equity wise heads up? Sure. You will win more hands with AK than you will 22 because it is harder to realize the equity of 22. If a 2 doesn't come up, how often are you betting that 22 down to the river? Just because it is the "winning" hand, how often are you going to let people bet you off of it? AK has MUCH, MUCH higher equity multi-way preflop AND you generally know when you are actually ahead, as with 22 you will only hit a set about 1 in 8 times you will more than likely be folding a lot of the "equity" that you had away as you can't actually see that you are ahead.
I threw in the extreme example of the lowest pair in the game purely to make a point that your AK is useless against even the smallest pair that one can get.

But for some reason you need to defend the hand that looks pretty but will knock you out of tournaments faster than you can count to ten in many situations. note: I hope you noticed I stated in many situations and all situations ....... lol
 
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TT it's a made hand,AK is just Ace high.
 
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I threw in the extreme example of the lowest pair in the game purely to make a point that your AK is useless against even the smallest pair that one can get.

But for some reason you need to defend the hand that looks pretty but will knock you out of tournaments faster than you can count to ten in many situations. note: I hope you noticed I stated in many situations and all situations ....... lol
You literally stated you would rather have a PAIR OF 2's over AK, that is bad advice to give any player and I let them see the flaws in your logic. You can have your pocket 2's all day but the logic is flawed my man, their are more variables than just the raw pre-flop equity.
 
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We were talking about 10-10 vs. A-K, right?

I always prefer the made hand, although the pre-flop percentages are very close. Thus the term coin flip. I'm going to play either one aggressively enough, with a raise or 3-bet, to try to try to fold out as many of the weaker hands as possible. Honestly though, I'm not as eager as others seem to be to get all of my chips in pre-flop with either of these hands. Then again, I wouldn't be too quick to fold either of them to another player's pre-flop shove.
 
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TT is better than AK, I feel more willing to play AK, because I usually discard AA and KK from the villain's hand and if I hit something on the board I will generally be up front. But the TT makes me afraid that someone has JJ, QQ, KK or AA, was an AX and get an A on the board.

Look at this comparison
www.cardfight.com/TT_AKo.html
 
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AK vs {QQ+,AK} 39.59%, TT vs {QQ+,AK} 36.41% , the point is that you don't compare equity AK vs TT but hand vs villain's range and playability like said.

Against a bit wider ranges AK vs {JJ+,AQs+,AKo} 43.53%, TT vs {JJ+,AQs+,AKo} 35.52%

That said I don't like AK one tiny bit. With AQ or TT we have a clear plan for the hand, but with AK if we fail (as we mostly do) to GII oh well...
 
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I take the 10's, you already have a pair and the chance of hitting on the flop are less than 20%. Anyways my AK rarely wins.
 
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Some data comparison, 2NL zoom this year:

AK, measured 25bb/100, AI corrected 200bb/100.
TT, measured 59bb/100, AI corrected 169bb/100
 
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A made hand is always better to have! But in the end it's what you can convince the other guy that you have the better hand!
 
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My opinion is that - 10 10, JJ, QQ - it's hands for playing on the flop, or an empty board.
With AK - more options in the game after the flop.
 
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Thanks so much. This is great info by everybody. That is probably why i prefer the AKs in multiway pots it is much easier to push oppents off hands such as 22 or other low pocket pairs when they dont hit. Even when the board reads 10 8 5 rainbow. I agree 100% with justsopro- with 22 i am basically just set mining waiting to spike. However with 1 in 8 times hitting that set. I can be pushed around by a few bets with AK
 
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You don't need to hit a set with TT there are many favorable flops.It's every bit as good postflop as AK
 
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It seems to me in almost every hand all Aces show. In hands or on the board. With A, K you have a good chance of top pair with top kicker. My favorite hand.
 
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My opinion is that - 10 10, JJ, QQ - its hands for playing on the flop, or an empty board. With AK - more options in the game after the flop.

Totally agree, the best comment. Simply but true.
As for me, I would like to have TT hand in cash games. Usually, in cash we play with regulars, they have small diapasons. If the board is empty, I can "catch" a lot of money with TT. Depends on yr opponents, their diapasons, bettings, positions etc.
 
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AK is weak unless it hit the pair in board. other pairs become stronger when it hits 3s on the board. so play safe.
 
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