AA or KK facing all in on the turn

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Situation that happens at low stakes fairly often. Me with AA or KK, I 3bets preflop, get called. I lead out half of the pot (low rainbow cards on the board), get called. Bet on the turn, villain 4bets all in. Three out of four times villain shows smaller pocket pair (Queens, Jacks or even Tens) but one out of four times he shows set. How do you proceed in those situations with absolute no information on the opponent?
 
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Situation that happens at low stakes fairly often. Me with AA or KK, I 3bets preflop, get called. I lead out half of the pot (low rainbow cards on the board), get called. Bet on the turn, villain 4bets all in. Three out of four times villain shows smaller pocket pair (Queens, Jacks or even Tens) but one out of four times he shows set. How do you proceed in those situations with absolute no information on the opponent?

So 3 out of 4 times you are getting your opponents stack and 1 out of 4 times you lose yours?

Sounds like you already answered this.
 
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Haha, now I sound stupid. :D I meant how you proceed in those situations. I don´t have big enough sample of hands to say if it´s always 3 to 1...And even though villain shows JJ I´m not that happy with my play, it is just not pretty poker...But like I said, I saw players shoving eights on six high flop, Jacks on ten high flop...I just can´t fold KK+ without a read (on microstakes)...
 
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This happened to me yesterday and I was left wondering the same thing. I almost knew in this spot I was beat but called anyway

Hero is dealt KsKd

UTG: Calls $0.05
UTG+1 Folds
UTG+2 Folds
Dealer Raises $0.10
SB Folds
BB(HERO) Raises $0.25
UTG: Calls $0.20
Dealer: Calls $0.15

Flop($0.75) 2c2h4s

BB(HERO) Bets $0.75
UTG Calls $0.75
Dealer Folds

Turn($2.16) 7c

BB(HERO) Bets $1.00
UTG Raises $4.00
BB(HERO) Calls $4.00 and is all in

River 5c

Villian turns over pocket 2's for quads.

I think it should of been an easy fold when he raised to $4 but I hoped he just had an overpair to the board which he didn't. Honestly, when I look back to this spot I think he HAD to have either 44 or 22 there and he would not be wanting to get it all in with just an overpair. With a pair of lets say 10's he would of probably just have called me down, but it is hard to say with 0 reads like you have on Bovada
 
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With a big hand like AA or KK there´s one of two thing that will happen:
-You win a small pot;
-You loose a huge pot.

With that hand these situations will happen about 85%. My advice is:
-Don't put too much money on the pot.
-If your opponent show strength just call him.
-And the most useful advise:

-> Remember that a donkey can play any, but ANY hand.
 
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With a big hand like AA or KK there´s one of two thing that will happen:
-You win a small pot;
-You loose a huge pot.

With that hand these situations will happen about 85%. My advice is:
-Don't put too much money on the pot.
-If your opponent show strength just call him.
-And the most useful advise:

-> Remember that a donkey can play any, but ANY hand.

Yes this is true, never put in much money with big pairs. Dont raise, just call. 90% of the time your AA will lose to things donkeys call with such as J3o. In my opinion just limp preflop and if you dont hit quads just check fold.
 
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This happened to me yesterday and I was left wondering the same thing. I almost knew in this spot I was beat but called anyway

Hero is dealt KsKd

UTG: Calls $0.05
UTG+1 Folds
UTG+2 Folds
Dealer Raises $0.10
SB Folds
BB(HERO) Raises $0.25
UTG: Calls $0.20
Dealer: Calls $0.15

Flop($0.75) 2c2h4s

BB(HERO) Bets $0.75
UTG Calls $0.75
Dealer Folds

Turn($2.16) 7c

BB(HERO) Bets $1.00
UTG Raises $4.00
BB(HERO) Calls $4.00 and is all in

River 5c

Villian turns over pocket 2's for quads.

In turn need pot controll check, because villain always fold if he have A high or low pair, to induce him bluffing, but when u bet in turn, u need call him shove, because this +EV he can have range like 88+ AJc+ played all right.
 
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Big hand big pot. Small hand small pot. I know it is hard to think about, but Kk and aa are small hands. They are one pair. One pair is a small hand and should be a small pot. Your line preflop is fine. Your flop play is fine. Check the turn and keep the pot smaller. They will fire a much smaller bet into you on the river that you can easily call. It will catch bluffs, and show more profit and less loss when you are beat.
 
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-And the most useful advise:

-> Remember that a donkey can play any, but ANY hand.[/quote]


+1
You're damn right !
 
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What you should do is take notes on who are the donkeys that are doing stupid stuff with low pocket pairs and NEVER EVER NEVER fold your overpairs to them. Although at micros you can stick to never ever folding overpairs against pretty much everyone. Also don't pot control against these guys just bet bet bet bet bet.

You only want to pot control when you are being called by solid players so at micros you can generally just keep clicking bet bet bet with AA/KK.

Taking notes is very important. Even playing ZOOM tables, I will still pause session every now and then to take note on tendencies, especially those involving 3b+ pots. It only takes you a few seconds and will help you alot in the future.

As for IPlay's hand, I'd say, 3b bigger earlier, just because they 2x open doesn't mean you have to lower your 3b amount, usually I 3b to 8bb if they 2x, 9/10 if they 3x. Most of the times you are gonna win a 'small pot' on the flop as you guys say yes? So you make the 'small pot' a little bigger is good for you. And in that spot, I'm probably never folding if I have no info on the villain and probably folding against regs(the micro nits not bluffing with this line). In the long run you will profit from calling in this spot due to the many spew spews at micros.
 
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