A Thread

[ScottishMatt]

I said I was going to start a thread. So here it is.

I'm not sure where to go with this, the goal is short and simple - get good at poker.

I'll get started by saying where I'm at now. I have a bankroll of about $300 and I'm going to play 10NL using a 30BI rule where I'll drop down in stakes if I fall down to 20BI's. I should probably also come up with a topic to generate some feedback with so here is a hand I played about 15 minutes ago.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $10.00 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, hands: 1)
MP: $10.00 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
CO: $12.34 (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
BTN: $12.99 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
Hero (SB): $10.00
BB: $10.69 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has A:heart: A:spade:

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.20, BTN calls $0.20, Hero raises to $0.94, fold, CO calls $0.74, fold

Flop: ($2.18, 2 players) Q:heart: T:spade: Q:club:
Hero bets $1.16, CO calls $1.16

Turn: ($4.50, 2 players) K:club:
Hero checks, CO bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20

River: ($6.90, 2 players) 2:diamond:
Hero checks, CO bets $1.30, Hero calls $1.30


So I wasn't exactly sure how to handle this. And how I'm unsure of how to approach any similar situations in the future, I have an overpair and the flop comes out paired on a card that hits villains range pretty well. I suppose if I had any hands on him I could use aggression stats to judge just how likely it is that he is going to try and take it away from me and then using the pot odds I'll try to determine whether it is worth a call.

Any advice on playing 3Bet pots OOP or some useful articles?

 

[duggs]

In

 

[vinylspiros]

subd

 

[ScottishMatt]

Give me some 3Bet material plox!

I'm sure I played this adequately but wondering if I could do anything better, suggestions?

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $4.02 (VPIP: 41.18, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 17)
MP: $10.68 (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
Hero (CO): $11.81
BTN: $9.62 (VPIP: 5.88, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
SB: $10.75 (VPIP: 41.18, PFR: 29.41, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
BB: $10.00 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has A:heart: 5:heart:

UTG calls $0.10, MP raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $0.94, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $0.84, MP calls $0.64

Flop: ($2.97, 3 players) A:diamond: 3:spade: K:club:
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($2.97, 3 players) T:diamond:
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $1.13, UTG calls $1.13, fold

River: ($5.23, 2 players) 9:club:
UTG checks, Hero bets $3.58, UTG calls $1.95 and is all-in

 

[micromachine]

Also in.

I like the way you played the AA hand. Would be easier to know what to do if you had stats on him but since you don't it's safer to assume him 3b calling range is pretty tight like AK, AQ, TT+. I think you're ~50/50 vs that range by the turn so calling down seems good, and better than raising imo as you keeps his bluffs and one pair hands in.

 

[micromachine]

Give me some 3Bet material plox!

I'm sure I played this adequately but wondering if I could do anything better, suggestions?

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $4.02 (VPIP: 41.18, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 17)
MP: $10.68 (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
Hero (CO): $11.81
BTN: $9.62 (VPIP: 5.88, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
SB: $10.75 (VPIP: 41.18, PFR: 29.41, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
BB: $10.00 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has A<font color='red'>♥</font> 5<font color='red'>♥</font>

UTG calls $0.10, MP raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $0.94, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $0.84, MP calls $0.64

Flop: ($2.97, 3 players) A<font color='red'>♦</font> 3<font color='black'>♠</font> K<font color='black'>♣</font>
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($2.97, 3 players) T<font color='red'>♦</font>
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $1.13, UTG calls $1.13, fold

River: ($5.23, 2 players) 9<font color='black'>♣</font>
UTG checks, Hero bets $3.58, UTG calls $1.95 and is all-in

Why didn't you bet the flop?

 

[BluffMeAllIn]

In as well, looking at the hand obv seems like he is afraid of the board as well based on his turn and river checks, smells like an AT to me in hopes that you have a weaker T or he is being sneaking and trying to get you to repop him.

It is a tricky spot, his bets could also be figuring the amount of $$ he might get from you but to keep you in the pot with a T. Think it looks to be played well, if you raise and he folds your loosing value but if you raise and he repops then your out more so seems like a good play to sit between gaining value and loosing extra chips if he has it.

Title was awsome, I was like "A Thread" wtf kind of title for a thread is that but obv you explained it quite well lol. GL

Edit: as you have since posted another hand, this was in references to the AA hand which I now see mm seems to be looking at it similarly as well.

 

[ScottishMatt]

The A5 hand. My rationale is the same as it was preflop. We'll refer to the fish as player 1. And the nit as player 2.

Preflop:

Player 1) Going for value

Player 2) Betting as a bluff

As for postflop, because player 1 is a shortie I don't need 3 streets to get his stack in. So against him the hand plays the exact same way no matter what, I'm putting him in and that's that. Whereas I have player 2 to consider and with a flop bet I don't get value, nor do I bluff. So betting the flop just didn't make much sense in and of itself. There is also the factor to consider that player 1 is more likely to pay me off on the turn + river than he is on the flop + turn because he has another opportunity to hit a 1 pair hand lower than mine on the turn card. I'll also save money when player 2 decides to involve himself by betting.

That sound reasonable?

 

[duggs]

don't like pre in A5s, post looks fine

 

[micromachine]

Yeah you're thought process makes sense, think I would be worried about getting sucked out on with 2 other players in the pot so I'd prefer to bet the flop (for value vs the shortie station). I'm thinking about your reasons for betting the flop vs player 2 though and you're right it can't be for value or bluff so idk

 

[ScottishMatt]

don't like pre in A5s, post looks fine

Shortie too short?

 

[duggs]

and A5s doesn't flop well enough, and fish calling is going to cause the reg to call too often.

 

[ScottishMatt]

Not reg. Nit. FWIW I was mainly going for a bluff vs the nit than for value vs the fish. Anyway, here is another hand. Now he is kind of fishy and all but he's still a 10NL player and the standards are way too tight down here. I had no idea how much to bet so I just thought I'd go for the most likely to make him fold.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $10.32 (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
BTN: $10.00 (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
SB: $10.00 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
BB: $7.22 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
Hero (UTG): $12.25

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has Q:club: J:club:

Hero raises to $0.31, fold, fold, SB calls $0.26, fold

Flop: ($0.72, 2 players) 2:diamond: 7:club: 4:heart:
SB bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.52, 2 players) A:club:
SB checks, Hero bets $0.90, SB calls $0.90

River: ($3.32, 2 players) 9:diamond:
SB checks, Hero bets $10.64 and is all-in, fold


I fear this may turn into a spewfest thread lol. I'm really starting to pay more attention to my opponents and I know for sure he is just begging for a showdown. This may have been a bit OTT so gimme some advice on how much we should be betting in order to fold out unknowns when we decide to bluff OTR.

 

[steveiam]

Im going to follow this i am playing some 10nl 6 max at the moment.

 

[ScottishMatt]

So here are the final 3 hands from my sessions where I'd like critique on.

1. PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $15.33 (VPIP: 24.62, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 16.00, Hands: 66)
MP: $2.75 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
CO: $13.93 (VPIP: 38.89, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 18)
Hero (BTN): $11.48
SB: $21.66 (VPIP: 5.88, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 18)
BB: $10.00 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 8:heart: 9:heart:

UTG raises to $0.30, fold, CO raises to $0.60, Hero raises to $1.36, fold, fold, fold, CO calls $0.76

Flop: ($3.17, 2 players) 6:club: 6:heart: T:diamond:
CO checks, Hero bets $1.55, CO calls $1.55

Turn: ($6.27, 2 players) 4:diamond:
CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($6.27, 2 players) K:club:
CO checks, Hero bets $5.10

Good?

2. What do we do here?

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $7.79 (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
Hero (CO): $10.76
BTN: $10.00 (VPIP: 7.69, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
SB: $14.23 (VPIP: 28.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 26)
BB: $36.22 (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 30.77, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 26)
UTG: $12.13 (VPIP: 24.29, PFR: 22.86, 3Bet Preflop: 14.81, Hands: 71)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 9:club: 9:spade:

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.31, fold, SB calls $0.26, BB calls $0.21

Flop: ($0.93, 3 players) 2:heart: 5:spade: 3:heart:
SB checks, BB bets $0.60


3. I was so tempted to call here as this guy had been very active. Had been 3Betting me a whole ton and we were building up a dynamic. I settled on folding cause I just couldn't bring myself to call down, it is 10NL and every X/R = teh nutz. In hindsight I think this should only be a bet if we are WA/WB and our decision is simple. Probably should have bet smaller anyway. Are we aiming to take SD from now on in a spot like this?

 

[ScottishMatt]

Forgot to paste hand 3 lolz. Won't edit it because it will screw up the other hands. Here it is -

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $7.13 (VPIP: 18.92, PFR: 2.70, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 38)
Hero (CO): $14.17
BTN: $10.00 (VPIP: 16.22, PFR: 13.51, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 37)
SB: $14.02 (VPIP: 30.61, PFR: 22.45, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 50)
BB: $35.55 (VPIP: 26.00, PFR: 24.00, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 50)
UTG: $12.47 (VPIP: 23.66, PFR: 19.35, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 95)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 3:diamond: 3:heart:

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.31, fold, fold, BB raises to $1.10, Hero calls $0.79

Flop: ($2.25, 2 players) J:diamond: 8:spade: J:heart:
BB bets $1.30, Hero calls $1.30

Turn: ($4.85, 2 players) Q:diamond:
BB checks, Hero bets $3.12, BB raises to $11.80, fold

 

[AlfieAA]

Gl matt, get good

 

[hackmeplz]

oh look it's poker and stuff.

 

[xdeucesx]

in

 

[honeycrush]

Good luck!

 

[rifflemao]

in like flint

 

[ScottishMatt]

I don't want "in". Give me some ****ing pointers!

 

[vinylspiros]

Forgot to paste hand 3 lolz. Won't edit it because it will screw up the other hands. Here it is -

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $7.13 (VPIP: 18.92, PFR: 2.70, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 38)
Hero (CO): $14.17
BTN: $10.00 (VPIP: 16.22, PFR: 13.51, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 37)
SB: $14.02 (VPIP: 30.61, PFR: 22.45, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 50)
BB: $35.55 (VPIP: 26.00, PFR: 24.00, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 50)
UTG: $12.47 (VPIP: 23.66, PFR: 19.35, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 95)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 3♦ 3♥

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.31, fold, fold, BB raises to $1.10, Hero calls $0.79

Flop: ($2.25, 2 players) J♦ 8♠ J♥
BB bets $1.30, Hero calls $1.30

Turn: ($4.85, 2 players) Q♦
BB checks, Hero bets $3.12, BB raises to $11.80, fold

check turn behind/ fold to river action. Your hand is a bluff catcher. Why do you turn it into a bluff on the turn.


Edit: i might call a small river bet if a total blank hits.

 

[Cafeman]

In

 

[duggs]

1, fold pre, not a great spot to cold 4

2, call flop don't want to r/c or r/f

3 fold pre not a good hand to defend against 3bets, as played check turn back and hope to check it down.