A strategy for picking up dead money with air on the BB?

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Deceitful_Frank

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Funny one this. Due to my tight careful play I often seem to find myself in this spot.

Ok you are on the BB and dont have a hand worthy of a raise against the number of limpers that are joining you for the flop. There have been no raises so you just check... pretty standard stuff.

The flop comes and you are usually first to act. What strategy do you guys use or what do you think about when you find yourself OOP after the flop but with the right of first bluff?

Do you try to sieze the dead money if the board is wet, dry, suited or paired?
Does having overcards play a part in your decision making?
I feel there is a not inconsiderable amount of extra cash to be scooped up in these spots. Is it worth going after?

Thoughts an ideas please!
 
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Dont try and make moves OOP just check fold.

You saw a free flop and missed.. its fine to fold.

Basically games that have multiple limpers tend to be microstakes games.

These players are bad. If they hit a piece of the flop you will never get them to fold. Durrr couldnt get one of these guys to fold his J8o on a 268 board, so dont try.

You make money when you hit a decent hand and they call you down 2-3 streets with J8o and you have a set, or even A8o!

Basically the rule is do not bluff into multi way pots.

You can confirm this by filtering for pots that are MW using HEM and looking at your bet success. As the number of players increase, your bet success decreases.
 
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Thanks Stu... as usual this sounds like good advice. I think the main reason why I thought there was milage in taking the dead money was the fact that when I'm in this spot against one or two others the guy to my left ALWAYS seems to put in a pot sized bet!

Ok so maybe he limped and after the flop hit... but EVERYTIME?

Kinda pisses me off and I often have to stop myself from check-raising or check-shoving.

Yes I still have a few tilt issues. My biggest leak.

So he played terrible pre-flop and will continue to be a losing player. Like you said he now has position so maybe he at least deserves to have the 35c :)
 
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its a suicide steal spot.

They guy may have had a hand or he may have been bluffing and got lucky that noone had anything but in the LR if he is stealing with air he will get called too often to profit.
 
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If you are going to do this, do it on the button. Then you'll have a position. If you suspect a pot sized donk every time, float or raise em.

Don't really need to do this at the micros though, just do it when you are sitting on a good hand and value town them. Then you aren't bluffing and donks who are making pot sized donks into you will probably not target you again.
 
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