A strategy of making money in cash games shared by an acquaintance of mine.

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Okay, there's an acquaintance of mine, who plays on pokerstars, Titan and Party.
He does some weird stuff that helps him make consistent profit.
Basically he plays 1/2$ no limit.

What he does.
He will join a random table with short stack, go all in preflop first hand, steal blinds (3 dollars) and disappears from that table.
Then he will join another random table and do the same thing. He says nobody really calls him.
If he does that for 10 times, he will earn 30$.

What do you guys think?
 
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Okay, there's an acquaintance of mine, who plays on Pokerstars, Titan and Party.
He does some weird stuff that helps him make consistent profit.
Basically he plays 1/2$ no limit.

What he does.
He will join a random table with short stack, go all in preflop first hand, steal blinds (3 dollars) and disappears from that table.
Then he will join another random table and do the same thing. He says nobody really calls him.
If he does that for 10 times, he will earn 30$.

What do you guys think?

i think it's very very silly and in the long run he will lose more than he wins.
$1/$2 min buy in is $80, if 1 time someone has a monster and calls him and he loses then he's lost $80, he then has to successfully get away with joining and shoving 27 times in a row to be $1 up, eventually players will figure out what that player is doing and start calling slightly wider knowing they will have enough equity vs him to make it profitable
 
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all in

May work short term but eventually it will catch up to him,in my opinion bad strategy
 
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Or he could you know... learn how to play cash games? LOL
 
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It is quite possible. In poker, for any strategy there exists place. Need to try.
 
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Long run, he will lose.
 
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Good strategy, but need good days for it, some bad days will destroy his/her cash.
 
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I think that is my cousin when he his drunk.
 
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I'd say your premise is wrong. Decnet palyers will call much more often than you propose.

Let's assume this is a full ring game and anyone with AA, KK, QQ or AK. There are 6 ways to be dealt a pair and 16 ways to get AK out of the 1,326 possible two cards. That's 34 out of 1,326, just a hair over 2.5% of the time. If you are playing full ring you need to multiply that by 8 if you push under the gun. Call it 1 out of 5 times. Of course you might win 10% of the time when you get called

Adding up in a $1/$2 game, buying in for $20 you win $3 4 times or $12 when everyone folds, you lose $20 90% of the time when called and win $20 10% of the time. $12+($20*.1)-($20*.9)= $14-$18 or down $4.
 
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I think your friend is a piece of shit. Stop talking to him.
 
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I would say it is pretty close to even long term assuming no one pays attention. However people will catch on and at that point what do you do? As far as ethics go it is frowned upon to hit and run. Morally its the same because you are trying to take money from everyone and put it in your pocket. +/- EV? My vote is in for -
 
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Easy Math Approximation. Lets say the "Hero" has random cards and the Opponents calls with only Aces. So if the hero gets called he loses ~85% of the time resulting in a loss of $56. On a 6Max Table without interferrence you would get called every 25th Time. EV ? $72 - $56 = 16$.
Aces and Kings .. You start to loose. ~ $20 per Hand.

So even if my Calculations are way off. A standart call range would crush that system.
 
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Guess playin real poker dodnt work out for him so had to come up with a new idea.
 
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Okay, there's an acquaintance of mine, who plays on Pokerstars, Titan and Party.
He does some weird stuff that helps him make consistent profit.
Basically he plays 1/2$ no limit.

What he does.
He will join a random table with short stack, go all in preflop first hand, steal blinds (3 dollars) and disappears from that table.
Then he will join another random table and do the same thing. He says nobody really calls him.
If he does that for 10 times, he will earn 30$.

What do you guys think?


Lmao, sounds like someone I know (That's the sad part about It:rolleyes: ).
Long story short years, ago, I won 12.5k from a LB event and ended up doing exactly what your buddy did (I wasn't stealing blinds though), I'd wait to stack them and than leave, and I wasn't playing NL with my entire stack, but more so Limit holdem/Pot limit.

What became apparent was that because I was playing $5-$10, and would take 2-3stacks HU and than leave (None of the $5-$10) HU players would play with me, and they would actually in-fact sit-out the moment they seen me sit in. This forced me to have to move up in limits, eventually I was playing $50-$100 (lol), I know you wouldn't have a reason to believe me, but WVhillbilly, and lots of other players, recall the threads:eek: :eek:. My heater was not dying down anytime soon, and all the HU limit players were getting sick of me, doing the same play (Winning 8k in 20 minutes and leaving):eek: . So all High stack HU limit Players were refusing to play vs me, at Carbon, and thus I was forced to actually play NL (Now the issue with NL is that when you're actually on a small stack in comparison to the B.R), Sitting down with the max buy-in actually becomes quite scary, the fact that If at any given time you can get stacked and this leads to you tilting that stack away, and I sure punted that entire stack minus the original 12.5k in 20 minutes.

The other issue with your friends play is the fact that most of the players at these limits will have Huds, and acouple of times after He keeps doing the same play, they will eventually narrow down his range and call him lighter than the norm, so that Is another potential threat to watch out for
 
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Playing a big stack strategy can win you a consistent return, but you have to have the goods when you do it. Playing random hands for your stack is not going to make it happen. Even friends lie about their success sometime and this may be the case.
 
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I think your buddy would be better off playing roulette. He'd still loose his money but at least her wouldn't have to keep moving tables :laugh:
 
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Several comments already made the math, proving its not working.

I have one more question, you say he will join, go all-in first hand and steal the blinds?
But he actually has to start with big blind and someone can raise-reraise before him already. So actually his blind will be stolen, or those other players can call much wider range vs. short stack and some money already in the pot.
 
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sounds like a nonsensical approach to me; sure it works, until it doesn't. Plus that's not playing poker; if you want to make three bucks here and there, go panhandle at WalMart.
 
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lol

Have heard of tactics like this but usually involve waiting at least for a semi decent hand, called short stackers by Eric Lindgren, one of the now forgotten pros in the wake of the math age, I can't imagine all ins will yield long term profitability but who knows, but ya I don't understand peoples serious aversion to this, they probably have spent no time trying to figure out a winning strategy against this plan and it irritates them that they can't play on the paths they desire,, every poker player wants the other peoples money so I don't see how using a Particular tactic can be conceived as amoral, I'm not going to try this anytime soon but if he wants to sure whatever
 
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sounds like a nonsensical approach to me; sure it works, until it doesn't. Plus that's not playing poker; if you want to make three bucks here and there, go panhandle at WalMart.

Too funny
 
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Sounds interesting , if villains react very tight to this shove with a range of AA or KK perhaps QQ too then it might actually be a profitable strategy. But if they take a note on you...... then you are gonna lose.
 
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Eventually someone will call him, there is a minimum buy in so he is risking a lot to win $3. He will get away with it cause no one wants to risk their stack unless they have something to go in with. So, if he averages more money in wins vs. losses then that would work.
 
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