A Powerful Tell

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Success at poker is ultimately the result of solid fundamentals and the ability to read your opponents’ betting patterns. This is especially true when playing online. But playing live poker is a completely different animal. In this venue, the presence of physical tells can not be overlooked.
Picking up a tell -- a hint that a player unknowingly gives that reveals the strength of his hand -- often means the difference between winning and losing a big pot.
Most physical tells, however, are notoriously unreliable. What might signify a bluff from one player just might indicate a full house from another. That’s why it’s wrong to generalize physical tells by adhering to profound-sounding statements like, “When a player throws his chips in forcefully, it’s a bluff.” It’s simply not true in all cases.
There are, however, some tells that are more reliable than others. One in particular is the habit of glancing at one’s chip stack. It’s powerful because so many players aren’t even aware that they’re doing it.
Let me explain.
Some players will immediately glance at their chips as soon as the thought of making a bet crosses their mind. Say a player is holdingpocket threes and another three hits on the flop. That player will often take a quick glance at his chip stack as soon as the flop is revealed. It’s like hearing a voice inside your head saying, “Oh, three of a kind. Next step is to bet. Where are my chips?”
That’s when you’ll notice the quick glance. Once you find a player who has this habit, it will be the most reliable tell you will ever spot.
Now, a player with this tendency might also look at the flop with a blank stare, never once glancing at his chips. That is a tell, too! Since you know that he glances at his chips when he wants to bet, you can infer that when he doesn’t, he has no intention of continuing with the hand. The pot is yours for the taking with a bet.
Here’s an example of how picking up on this particular tell can help you avoid being trapped.
You make a pre-flop raise with 8c-10c. The player in the big blind calls. The flop comes Jc-7d-3s and your opponent checks to you.
With an inside straight draw, you might decide to bluff at the pot. However, you realize that your opponent could be considering a check-raise. Knowing that, the better option is to check, take a free card, and hope to catch a nine to complete your straight. This play would eliminate the worst case scenario where you bet, get check-raised, and then have to fold, potentially costing yourself a huge pot.
Here’s where the chip-glancing tell is most valuable.
Watch your opponent’s eyes as he sees the flop. If he glanced at his chips before he announced check -- beware! There’s something he likes about that flop. He probably won’t fold to any bet you make. Just check and try to catch a card on the turn.
On the other hand, if you are facing a player who habitually glances at his chips when he likes a flop, but doesn’t do it this time -- bet! Chances are he missed the flop. Take the pot right away. Don’t give him a chance to catch a winning card on the turn.
The art of reading physical tells isn’t an exact science. But of all the tells you’ll encounter at the poker table, you can pretty much call this one “Old Faithful.”
 
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Anyone that thinks their is an "old faithful" to tells does not play enough live poker or is reading the wrong books...back in the days of rounders, maybe, but now its pretty easy to take the checks of someone who thinks this way. A good player changes speed thoughout the game, different movements, the way one looks or bets. If you change things its alot harder for someone to figure you out.
And I'm not talking about the dreaded allin trying to steal, I just mean body language and movements, or when you take a drink, stupid little stuff
 
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Anyone that thinks their is an "old faithful" to tells does not play enough live poker or is reading the wrong books...back in the days of rounders, maybe, but now its pretty easy to take the checks of someone who thinks this way. A good player changes speed thoughout the game, different movements, the way one looks or bets. If you change things its alot harder for someone to figure you out.
And I'm not talking about the dreaded allin trying to steal, I just mean body language and movements, or when you take a drink, stupid little stuff




do me a favor and go back and read it again. this is for the online player that rarely plays live poker and also for the new player to the game. for someone that plays daily live poker then this is something they already know. also so you know this came from one of the top pros out there so i would listen to some of it at least......
 
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Good article. Please quote your source in the future.
 
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Good article,
I did have a girl in our homegame who was a habitual chip glancer. After reading that tell and watching her glance all the time, I made the mistake of laughing. Well, it came out and we all had a laugh. She stopped her tell...for awhile...and then she went back to waht she was hardwired to do.
I do think I should note that she was not experienced and didn't really develop like some of us. In live games around LA, you get a pretty savy bunch of players and this tell is probably less reliable. Thanks for sharing and quotes sources would help.
 
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Source please.
 
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The trembling hand is pretty reliable also.

Reasonably - it has its problems though.

For example, I played a live game last week and flopped quads against two aggros. Sure enough I got them to both lose the maximum, but it was only after the hand that my hands started to shake - I was actually having a hard time stacking the chips.
 
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good advice, i will remember that for when i start to play live poker
 
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The trembling hand is pretty reliable also.

My hand shakes when im cold, when im making a bluff, and also when I have the stone cold nuts.

Pick your poison "tell masters"!

I also glance at my chips when Im going to bet after I see the flop, obv so I can see what im grabbing at. Ill also sometimes look down at them and move my bet slowly, maybe for a bluff, or maybe if I hit trips. Gotta mix up them tells yo.

I dunno, ive banked alot of hours playing live now and these tells are mostly bullshit in my opinion.

Sure enough I got them to both lose the maximum, but it was only after the hand that my hands started to shake - I was actually having a hard time stacking the chips.

Hahah yea this is when my hands shake the most too, you dont wanna slow the game down and quickly stacking the chips is kinda hard because you are excited about winning the big pot. Its just like... adrenaline running I guess.
 
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Very good article. I know that it seems my ability to read my opponent online versus in live play varies tremendously.
 
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Good advice. It was also really good 24 years ago when I read it in Mike Caro's book.

Quote your source please.
 
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This is from a recent e-mail promoting Daniel Negreanu's new book.
 
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This is from a recent e-mail promoting Daniel Negreanu's new book.


this is where i got it. i get e-mail promos all the time but i have used this in my home game and it does work. well atleast with them so i thought i would share
 
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Beginners also give tells sometimes with their ears or eyebrows. If they hit the card they wanted, their eyebrows sometimes move and if they are betting big and you can see their ears turnin red, then that sometimes might me tell also.
 
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The only reliable tells are betting patterns imo because someone could do any of the other tells you all mention without it indicating a certain thing.
 
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"you can see their ears turnin red" ? Hahaha never saw that at someone. You sure it's not from drinking wisky ? ;)

The eyebrow thing sometimes is a tell but it won't always mean they have a monster it can also mean the flop surprised them. Just watch if they make a habit of it or if they only do it if they have a monster.
 
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great post pugsley alot of good information there and wouldnt hurt any of us to brush up our game a little and be able to read our opponets better ..cheers i enjoyed it
 
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this is where i got it. i get e-mail promos all the time but i have used this in my home game and it does work. well atleast with them so i thought i would share
If you dont cite sources you will get dinged. They have a (well hidden) demerit point system here.
 
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The trembling hand is pretty reliable also.

Of what?

Is he shaking because he's bluffin? Or is it because he's got a monster?

Without experience watching that particular player, his tells "tell" us nothing.


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IMO you just have to be able to adjust to the situation and players at hand. There is definately some solid advice here, but I think most importiantly you must pay very close attention to what is going on and be able to trust your instincts from what youve seen and react accordingly. There are tells and and bluff tells and set ups so make the call and learn
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Of what?

Is he shaking because he's bluffin? Or is it because he's got a monster?

Without experience watching that particular player, his tells "tell" us nothing.

This is true, and like I said above everything needs to be taken in context. Sometimes it can be a delayed reaction from the previous hand.

In the absence of any indicators to the contrary though, shaking hands are almost always an indicator of a monster hand. It's certainly reason enough to proceed with caution in the hand.
 
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Some good advice. Went out playing tonight and caught tells off 2 people 'straight from the book'. It was almost as if they were trying to prove it right for me. I understand that every game is different but damn, worked for me tonight!
 
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the shaking hand dont say much. only for relative new players who you will own anyway
 
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The trembling hand is pretty reliable also.


Be wary with this, make sure you know your player before you assume it automatically means big hand....I will frequently do this on purpose when I'm bluffing at a pot when I know I'm up against a solid player who will take notice of it...and it has been very effective. Its very hard to mimic the exact motion that will occur naturally but a slight shaking action that is not too overacted as you place a bet will work...I've had several players fold only to hear them tell the player next to them "I saw his hand shaking"
 
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