850 BB deep...

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So I just witnessed a hand in live poker where one guy had 1400 BB and the other had 850 BB stack, the max buy in was 250 BB however both the players had actually bought for just 100 BB. One flopped nut straight with JT and the other flopped top set with AA on a rainbow board. I lost count of the number of re raises and eventually they went all in on the flop. It was bad play by the player with top set as the guy with the nuts kept min raising it was just obvious to me what he had. Anyways the turn paired the board and the hand was dead. Boom the chip leader lost 850 BB in a single hand having flopped the nuts.

We never have people get that deep in our games it was just an unusually crazy night that led to such a scenario.

I was wondering what I would have done if I were the guy with the straight? The variance here is just gigantic you are not going to get involved in a hand that big anytime soon.

I know most would just reject this notion but could we possibly make an argument for pot control with the nuts in a situation like this? I personally have never been in a hand that big which goes to show just how high the variance is in this scenario.

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I'm GII every time. Even if I am under-rolled.
 
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I'm GII every time. Even if I am under-rolled.
+1 if you flop the nuts you gotta go with it

maybe different in PLO as player may have the same hand and have better redraws so sometimes good to fold if especially deep
 
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Regardless of how deep you are top set is always going to be a call on the flop.


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Preflop action would determine whether you can put someone on the straight, but to actually slow down with top set there is so unlikely. It's just one of those hands where you aren't getting away.

I'm GII every time. Even if I am under-rolled.

GII?
 
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GII is get it in (stacks), or in this instance getting it in.

I don't have much to say regarding the topic itself and the information provided. Getting stacks in with the nuts prior to the river won't necessarily yield the greatest value ofc, and there are a couple different ways to contrive cash game scenarios where it's correct to fold the nuts, but in general I wouldn't advise people here to ever worry about things like that in the games they play (unless it's a game played with hole cards face up or something).
 
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Yeah, not trying to sound rude or crass here at all, but it's the Internet, so my tone can't properly be exhibited here lol...anytime I can get it all in with the nuts is a good situation for me lol. With that said, it's hard with the top set guy to get away too. Kinda hard to put a guy on one specific hand as opposed to a range of hands he could have. He could easily be going nutso with two pairs as well...it's live cash, so a lot of things happen. Hell, some people will even go broke with top pair lol.
 
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I mean pot controlling with the nuts is only ever going to be superior to getting it in if both these conditions are guaranteed to be met:

1. You can size everything correctly to make sure that you get it all in when you don't get drawn out on.

2. When drawn out on you can actually fold. No ifs, buts nor any maybes. You actually fold when the board pairs.

Provided you can meet those conditions 100% then yeah I prefer to pot control.
 
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I mean pot controlling with the nuts is only ever going to be superior to getting it in if both these conditions are guaranteed to be met:

1. You can size everything correctly to make sure that you get it all in when you don't get drawn out on.

2. When drawn out on you can actually fold. No ifs, buts nor any maybes. You actually fold when the board pairs.

Provided you can meet those conditions 100% then yeah I prefer to pot control.

What if our opponent will not be able to get it all in when the board pairs? If we keep check calling he simply won't make a big enough bet since he has no idea what we have.

The nut straight hand just has to avoid a 4 to a straight board and it can still inflict big damage on the river as top set will keep betting even if the board doesn't pair.

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But it is us wanting to build the pot to GII because we have the nuts. And should be capable of getting away when it pairs.
 
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Why would you EVER fail to get all in with the nuts if possible? As for top set; I agree with your sentiment. If a guy HAS to have the straight, slowing down makes sense.
 
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