6max v FR

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so i decided to have a shot on 6max today to see what it was like, and i must say i really like it.....especially when just playing on the one table, it is alot more quicker......

but is it recommended for beginners or should we 'master' FR tables first?.....do you need a bigger BR for 6max, if so how many buy ins compared to FR would you suggest?.....is the varience greater on 6max?...can i still play a tag abc game or would i have to open up abit more....

is my starting hand chart relevant for 6max or will i have to find another chart specifically for 6max....

is there just as many fish (including me) on 6max as there is on FR?....

what format will i learn best on?.....what do you guys prefer and why?....thanks :)
 
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6m harder than FR since you have to play more marginal hands more often. There's much more 'poker' going on post flop too. Personally though I'd guess there's more fish in the FR 2NL games by ye playing 6m will help you get better faster for sure. Just be prepared to lose which getting used to it lol
 
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my answers are below..

so i decided to have a shot on 6max today to see what it was like, and i must say i really like it.....especially when just playing on the one table, it is alot more quicker......Good, isn't it :)

but is it recommended for beginners or should we 'master' FR tables first?.....Not normally recommended for beginners but there are SOOOO many fish at 2nl 6max tables you should be fine do you need a bigger BR for 6max, if so how many buy ins compared to FR would you suggest? maybe a bit, 30 buy-ins for a level is fine, 25 probably fine for 2nl.....is the varience greater on 6max? yes, a bit...can i still play a tag abc game or would i have to open up abit more....you can still play a TAG game, think if it as FR with the first 3 seats removed, and see my starting hands below

is my starting hand chart relevant for 6max or will i have to find another chart specifically for 6max....I use these opening ranges for 6max (pasted from another thread I commented in)


These is my opening range for 6max. You should be stealing from the BTN with a wide range.


UTG: 22+, AJs+, AQo+
MP: 22+, ATs+, AJo+, QJs+, KJs, A2s-A5s
CO: 22+, A2s+, ATo+, 76s+, KTs+, QJo+
BTN: 22+, A2s+, A2o+, 76s+, K9s+, Q9s, 98o+, 86s+

In the SB I'll steal with the CO range. When I am in the blinds facing a single raise I generally try to avoid calling (although some situations clearly warrant it like setmining vs EP nit opens) and either 3b or fold instead.



is there just as many fish (including me) on 6max as there is on FR?....still loads of fish at 2nl dont worry about that

what format will i learn best on?.....what do you guys prefer and why?....thanks :)
 
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Hi Alfie - I'm also a beginner. Started playing poker for the first time 4 months ago on FR beginners tables at 4NL. Did very well at the beginning but think I was just running well rather than playing well! When the downswing came I lost 7 buy-ins in a week and decided to start afresh on another site where I played FR again (but 2NL this time) and did okay again until I discovered 6max speed (zoom) poker... Was only ever playing one or max two tables and speed poker seemed like a great way to get in more volume whilst playing just one table.

6max is quite a bit different from FR imo. As mentioned above you need to play a wider range of hands. Players are more aggressive and there's more 3-betting going on. So if you play a nitty style (as I was because I hadn't adjusted my starting hand range much) you could easily find that you are raised off your hands or that your AA's and KK's get busted by "weaker" starting hands. I did well at the beginning by playing aggressively when I started but then thought there might be less variance (and I would win more) if I played tighter. Was definitely the wrong move!

My stats are currently around 17/13 which is probably still too nitty for 6max. Leakbuster tells me this is one of my biggest leaks...

I still prefer 6max though. As jchoop says, I'm learning faster (and getting more experience of post-flop play) even if it's costing me more!
 
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hi, lawrelye ...yeah i played a more aggressive style when i first started too, playing too many hands and 3 betting, 4 betting etc.....with a wide range of hands, trying to be creative, without knowing what the hell i was doing....i did learn to read the flop/turn/river cards quite well and would regularly shout out what i thought another guy had based on the community cards....i got quite alot right and thought i was daniel negreanu or something lol......i was playing on 5nl at the time and was doing quite good...never really lost any money on that level, but instead chose to drop down because for some reason i thought 5nl was 2nl....doh..........i actually thought 5nl was easier than 2nl (jchoop would disagree) lol.......but now i think about it, that would only because i was on a heater playing all these hands and getting lucky....

i think im going to wait until i get a bigger BR before i move to 6max.....
 
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I was wondering about this too, since I decided this week I was starting to focus mainly on cash so I can get crushed online so I can crush those in the cardroom cause every mistake I make gets exploited to hell and back online. Doin a little too much 3 betting and folding to cbets but dang, I find it hard to justify continuing sometimes if you know youre smoked. BUt of course many times I fold to find out I wasnt even closed to smoked. But then feel stupid when I hear stuff like Im just adding money to pot just to throw it away post flop

But it did seem like 6 max was running me down quicker, I guess cause its not like 3 empty seats its like every 3 hands you gotta attack someones blinds or get your sb and bb attacked. I dunno, watching some videos on both,

So what is the proper path, play FR and when good at that, play 6 max and get good there and then move up. Guess we cant move any lower than .02/.04
 
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So what is the proper path, play FR and when good at that, play 6 max and get good there and then move up. Guess we cant move any lower than .02/.04

I don't think there is a 'proper path'. FR is recommended for beginners but that doesn't mean you have to start with FR, and it doesn't mean you have to switch to 6max when you get good either. Most people play one or the other because they enjoy it more, not based on how good they are.
 
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