Aleksei
Legend
Silver Level
Derail from the august cash thread goes here
Learn to think for yourself bro. It'll get you places.
Basically, the logic I'm using here is:
1) If you play tighter than your villain you will flop strong more frequently.
2) If you flop strong more frequently, then you can credibly show aggression more frequently, with or without a hand. Therefore, your pots are more profitable.
3) If you play TOO tight villain can just fold to every action you take, and you lose money because your villain is automatically profiting from stealing your pots.
Ergo, an unexploitable (or difficult-to-exploit as it were -- I don't think there's such a thing as unexploitability proper in poker) range is one that is maximally tight without being so tight villain autoprofits.
On the other hand someone that shows up with a really strong and really polarized range post, and then actually plays tricky/aggro postflop in all the correct spots, would be massively difficult to defend against. Like for instance, if whenever you bet with top pair in a Broadway-high the other guy folds because he knows your top pair has top kicker and is usually suited, then you just start betting out every Broadway-high flop until they adjust. or if they start cbet bluffing you because "lolz, nit's gonna fold," just peel one with your 2-overs type hands because they have air a lot, or rebluff them or whatever. Regular nits DO NOT DO THAT, which is why they're so exploitable.
For the record: I play something like 33/24/14 and am working on bringing that down because it's too wide for my level. I am NOT a nit, I'm just saying being a nit is not awful if you know how to play right.
I'm not making up shit. To me this is all mathematical logic; so if one of my assumptions is flawed I want it ironed out (rather than just going ZOMG THIS IS WRONG BECAUSE IT'S WRONG BECAUSE IT'S WRONG). So, I will continue to argue the point until someone convinces me it's wrong.The why, is mainly just because you came out stating 18/14 was unexploitable stats for 6m, like it was solid well known fact. If you said, oh you can just play 18/14 at 5nl and noone will exploit you enough to stop you winning i'd of been like "yeah, makes sense, aleksei isn't making up new facts here" But just as you stated that unexploitable HU strat had the PFR opening 50% buttons, it was just pulled out of your arse
Learn to think for yourself bro. It'll get you places.
I kinda doubt it. I mean, 1) you're showing a stronger range off the bat so people have trouble defending wide (allows your steals to work more frequently), 2) you're showing a stronger range off the bat so whatever odd fish floated into your table (from what I've seen of 50NL 6max it's usually like 5 regs or nits sitting in with 1 whale) will be yours because people cannot re-iso light vs your open, and 3) you're showing a stronger range postflop so that you will flop strong more frequently and you can rep strong hands more frequently.If we wanna be serious though id guess its far from optimal or unexploitable, as it will contribute to more red line losses straight off the bat as opposed to somebody playing 24/20, and overcoming these extra red line losses is likely not possible in any tougher game.
Basically, the logic I'm using here is:
1) If you play tighter than your villain you will flop strong more frequently.
2) If you flop strong more frequently, then you can credibly show aggression more frequently, with or without a hand. Therefore, your pots are more profitable.
3) If you play TOO tight villain can just fold to every action you take, and you lose money because your villain is automatically profiting from stealing your pots.
Ergo, an unexploitable (or difficult-to-exploit as it were -- I don't think there's such a thing as unexploitability proper in poker) range is one that is maximally tight without being so tight villain autoprofits.
Well like I said twice, my experience is nits are super scared and play horrible postflop so that a skilled player can just take a zillion of their pots. That has nothing to do with their opening range, if someone was opening wide and then playing like a total nit postflop they'd just be EVEN MORE exploitable.Can you show me some evidence of this working? I have a large db and trust me, none of the nits win money at 50NL, quite the opposite in fact. Results oriented? Yep!
On the other hand someone that shows up with a really strong and really polarized range post, and then actually plays tricky/aggro postflop in all the correct spots, would be massively difficult to defend against. Like for instance, if whenever you bet with top pair in a Broadway-high the other guy folds because he knows your top pair has top kicker and is usually suited, then you just start betting out every Broadway-high flop until they adjust. or if they start cbet bluffing you because "lolz, nit's gonna fold," just peel one with your 2-overs type hands because they have air a lot, or rebluff them or whatever. Regular nits DO NOT DO THAT, which is why they're so exploitable.
For the record: I play something like 33/24/14 and am working on bringing that down because it's too wide for my level. I am NOT a nit, I'm just saying being a nit is not awful if you know how to play right.
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