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Hi! i have a 4% gap between vpip and pfr which i think is considered to be ok but dont have a clue really what i should be calling with. sometimes it feels loose sometimes tight and im completely lost as i could be doing all possible mistakes pre. my calling range is:
vs ep ip or oop: ats+, kts+,jts+,22+
vs lp ip or oop: aj,kq,jts+,a8s-ats,kts-kjs,77+

that means im not calling openraises from ep w aj and kq and calling oop w kjs or jts (first seems tight second loose)plus i dont seperate ip calls from oop. in practice i dont feel confident defending-spewing w floats or crazy postflop game cause there are many calling stations and all im doing is play fit or fold v tight or 3betting pre(7%) w marginal holdings. i dont know where this strategy can take me so i would really need some insight from experienced players!! most appreciate any help!
 
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You want to be calling with hand which are more profitable calling than 3-betting. Let's say that you have a villain stealing 45% of the time (something like A2+, 22+, K7+, K2s+, QT, Q8s, J9s, T8s, 97s, 76s,65s,54s). A good calling range would involve hands like KQ-KJ, KQs-KTs, QJs, AT-A8,A9s-A7s, 99-77. Anything stronger can be 3-bet and you can include slightly weaker hands than the calling range (eg 33, K8s,T9s, etc.) as bluff 3-bets. Tighten up your calling range when you are OOP, by folding or 3-betting more. Though I also would like to know how other people would proceed this situations like this....
 
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i 3bet for value with >55% equity. call with 55%-45% equity and add some more hand for 3bet bluff as wide as 3bet for value.

1. is there squeezer after me? if yes then 3bet > call
2. is there fish after me? if yes then 3bet < call

twohaha defend range seems ok to me
 
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Hi! i have a 4% gap between vpip and pfr which i think is considered to be ok but dont have a clue really what i should be calling with. sometimes it feels loose sometimes tight and im completely lost as i could be doing all possible mistakes pre. my calling range is:
vs ep ip or oop: ats+, kts+,jts+,22+
vs lp ip or oop: aj,kq,jts+,a8s-ats,kts-kjs,77+

that means im not calling openraises from ep w aj and kq and calling oop w kjs or jts (first seems tight second loose)plus i dont seperate ip calls from oop. in practice i dont feel confident defending-spewing w floats or crazy postflop game cause there are many calling stations and all im doing is play fit or fold v tight or 3betting pre(7%) w marginal holdings. i dont know where this strategy can take me so i would really need some insight from experienced players!! most appreciate any help!

I have recently begun 6 max cash and have been scowering through the old google and forums quite a bit. From what i've read , you want to call with PP's , versus an ep raiser ( They're more likely to barrel aggressively to represent their position, so you can get paid) from either the button or the big blind. You can call with suited aces and suited connectors from these positions also in a multiway pot. Also i like to flat call an aggressive sb with these cards too. I suppose you could call a late position raiser from the button if you beat his range. Position is so important i don't mind flat calling the button. If i get blown off the hand by a blind it's no big deal. Only a flesh wound.
This may be dreadful advice :)
 
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Here's something interesting i did with poker stove today: I only evaluated hands vs a tight UTG raiser who opens about 7% of hands since that's what I open from UTG in 6max. In order to have greater than 50% equity vs. that range, you have to have AKo or better, with TT being the lowest pocket pair with >50% equity. This is not to say that you need 50% equity to make a call profitable, and I think what has been said about calling with pocket pairs is very good advice as long as the raiser has a stack >= 100 big blinds. If he has much less, then set mining isn't worth it to me since we only hit a set about 1 out of 8.5 times, so when we do hit we need to make up for the small losses we take when we don't, hopefully winning a 200+ big blind pot. Against the same 7% range, Pocket 2s have 33.689% equity, Pocket 7s have 36.713%, pocket 8s 41.218%, pocket 9s 45.666%, and pocket Ts + are >50%. Someone suggested calling with hands that have 45-55% equity, and raising with >55% equity. By that logic, it would seem that calling a TAG's UTG raise (7% range) could be done with 99, TT, or any AK, while we would raise with pocket jacks through aces. Since pocket 8s have only ~41% equity, would you guys suggest folding them in this specific situation, since we're up against an overpair enough of the time to be put in a set over set situation, or should we call with lower pocket pairs? If we should call with lower pocket pairs, how low? 22? 77? Why or why not?
 
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Here's something interesting i did with poker stove today: I only evaluated hands vs a tight UTG raiser who opens about 7% of hands since that's what I open from UTG in 6max. In order to have greater than 50% equity vs. that range, you have to have AKo or better, with TT being the lowest pocket pair with >50% equity. This is not to say that you need 50% equity to make a call profitable, and I think what has been said about calling with pocket pairs is very good advice as long as the raiser has a stack >= 100 big blinds. If he has much less, then set mining isn't worth it to me since we only hit a set about 1 out of 8.5 times, so when we do hit we need to make up for the small losses we take when we don't, hopefully winning a 200+ big blind pot. Against the same 7% range, Pocket 2s have 33.689% equity, Pocket 7s have 36.713%, pocket 8s 41.218%, pocket 9s 45.666%, and pocket Ts + are >50%. Someone suggested calling with hands that have 45-55% equity, and raising with >55% equity. By that logic, it would seem that calling a TAG's UTG raise (7% range) could be done with 99, TT, or any AK, while we would raise with pocket jacks through aces. Since pocket 8s have only ~41% equity, would you guys suggest folding them in this specific situation, since we're up against an overpair enough of the time to be put in a set over set situation, or should we call with lower pocket pairs? If we should call with lower pocket pairs, how low? 22? 77? Why or why not?

Equity is overrated in situations like this. You should call if you get a hand that plays well after the flop. Against a 7% raising range: 99+,ATs+,KQs,AJo+

AQo has 45% equity vs this range, but 22 only has 38% equity against this range. However, you should think about folding AQo and call with 22 (if the stack sizes are deep enough). You'll miss the flop very often with AQ, and will be forced to fold. And if you hit, say a pair of A you don't know if you are good, and you won't be able to get any value from TT-KK hands, and lose to AA or AK. On the other hand, 22 misses 87.5% of the flop. But when 22 hits, theres a good chance that the opponent has a good hand (overpair, TPTK) and will pay you off big.

So calling with pocket pairs against a tight raiser is a good play.

Equity is also overrated when raising. You shouldn't be concerned about your equity when you raise, but your equity AFTER the opponent calls you. Consider the same example:
99+,ATs+,KQs,AJo+

If you 3-bet AKo what will happen? You'll get raised by AA, KK, QQ, hands like TT,99,AK would call you and hands like ATs, AJ, AQ,KQs would probably fold. By raising, you are eliminating all the hands which you dominate, and only leave hands that are at a coinflip or have you dominated. Your equity drops to 46%. You also make it easy for the opponent to play against you hand by 3-betting here. So you should call with your AK and play against a much better range for you.
On the other hand, say you 3-bet a button stealer (40%) who can call your 3-bet with:
88+, ATs+, KJs+, QJs, AJo+, KQo

3-betting AK will be much better, since you can get hands which your hand plays well against to the flop. Your equity here is 56.85%, but it's likely higher than that. You can make pocket pairs fold by representing overcards, or get value when you hit top pair with a better kicker.

Also against this button raiser, calling with 22 would be a bad idea, since your implied odds aren't very good here. Calling with hands like QJ would be a much better idea, since you have a good chance of getting a decent hand (pair Q or J) and that plays well agasint the opponent's range.

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Equity is overrated in situations like this. You should call if you get a hand that plays well after the flop. Against a 7% raising range: 99+,ATs+,KQs,AJo+

AQo has 45% equity vs this range, but 22 only has 38% equity against this range. However, you should think about folding AQo and call with 22 (if the stack sizes are deep enough). You'll miss the flop very often with AQ, and will be forced to fold. And if you hit, say a pair of A you don't know if you are good, and you won't be able to get any value from TT-KK hands, and lose to AA or AK. On the other hand, 22 misses 87.5% of the flop. But when 22 hits, theres a good chance that the opponent has a good hand (overpair, TPTK) and will pay you off big.

So calling with pocket pairs against a tight raiser is a good play.

Equity is also overrated when raising. You shouldn't be concerned about your equity when you raise, but your equity AFTER the opponent calls you. Consider the same example:
99+,ATs+,KQs,AJo+

If you 3-bet AKo what will happen? You'll get raised by AA, KK, QQ, hands like TT,99,AK would call you and hands like ATs, AJ, AQ,KQs would probably fold. By raising, you are eliminating all the hands which you dominate, and only leave hands that are at a coinflip or have you dominated. Your equity drops to 46%. You also make it easy for the opponent to play against you hand by 3-betting here. So you should call with your AK and play against a much better range for you.
On the other hand, say you 3-bet a button stealer (40%) who can call your 3-bet with:
88+, ATs+, KJs+, QJs, AJo+, KQo

3-betting AK will be much better, since you can get hands which your hand plays well against to the flop. Your equity here is 56.85%, but it's likely higher than that. You can make pocket pairs fold by representing overcards, or get value when you hit top pair with a better kicker.

Also against this button raiser, calling with 22 would be a bad idea, since your implied odds aren't very good here. Calling with hands like QJ would be a much better idea, since you have a good chance of getting a decent hand (pair Q or J) and that plays well agasint the opponent's range.

Procrastinating for finals urgh....

Two thumbs up for this post. Learning just this allowed me to beat 10NL for a decent clip (4bb/100) and I am a retard at hand reading.
Pay attention to this one
 
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it's not that equity is overrated but when you stove ranges, you're looking at all-in preflop equity, or showdown equity. There are a lot more factors than that, including postflop playability and implied odds vs. reverse-implied odds.

If a nit who only raises KK+ opens UTG, you should absolutely call with 22 even though you have only 20% equity or so and fold AQs, which has 25% equity.
 
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Here's something interesting i did with poker stove today: I only evaluated hands vs a tight UTG raiser who opens about 7% of hands since that's what I open from UTG in 6max. In order to have greater than 50% equity vs. that range, you have to have AKo or better, with TT being the lowest pocket pair with >50% equity. This is not to say that you need 50% equity to make a call profitable, and I think what has been said about calling with pocket pairs is very good advice as long as the raiser has a stack >= 100 big blinds. If he has much less, then set mining isn't worth it to me since we only hit a set about 1 out of 8.5 times, so when we do hit we need to make up for the small losses we take when we don't, hopefully winning a 200+ big blind pot. Against the same 7% range, Pocket 2s have 33.689% equity, Pocket 7s have 36.713%, pocket 8s 41.218%, pocket 9s 45.666%, and pocket Ts + are >50%. Someone suggested calling with hands that have 45-55% equity, and raising with >55% equity. By that logic, it would seem that calling a TAG's UTG raise (7% range) could be done with 99, TT, or any AK, while we would raise with pocket jacks through aces. Since pocket 8s have only ~41% equity, would you guys suggest folding them in this specific situation, since we're up against an overpair enough of the time to be put in a set over set situation, or should we call with lower pocket pairs? If we should call with lower pocket pairs, how low? 22? 77? Why or why not?

From what i understand , equity is used when you're the aggressor. When you're calling pot odds and implied odds are used.
 
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