6 Tables of 2nl 6max with LC

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Finally done, phew. I suggests watching it in full screen at Youtube to see everything properly. Post feedback here or in my thread but I'm gonna post them in my thread and cash games so people don't miss it.

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Finally, lol :D
I just clicked on New Poker Posts and there it is :D

I first read 6 tables of 2nl HU with LC and thought, "Whoa, another HU match, I'm in!".

Also, how come I don't have a single hand on you? When do you tend to play the most, GMT time?
And why is your pop-up for a table you're waiting on different than mine?
 
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Haha that would be so much better :)
 
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Starting to watch now. First thing I noticed is that somewhere in the options on FT, you can select to always buy in full, and wait for BB when you sit. It will make it a lot easier on you when you are trying to get your 6 tables going.
 
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Jesus these tables are much more agg then PS lol. 4 and 5 bets everywhere.

Anyway the AQ hand I think his range is weighted towards flush draws. Two pair combinations don't call pre Q6, Q3, 36 and sets would raise to like $1 to maybe build pot or intice a shove. Either way i'm thinking your probably ahead unless you have a solid read he's sick.

53o SB seems like a very loose steal playing OOP with a shitty hand.

QQ hand was played pretty bad. Not a bad flop to c-bet and you could even rep the ace on the turn as you now have the FD if you are called. On the river i'd re-raise a bit smaller. Try and get his 4, 5 or 6 high flushes to call and hopefully maybe even small aces (unlikely, i know :p ). Mashing pot just looks really strong IMO.
Out of interest what makes a good turn card to double barrell on? When the J hit I thought it wouldn't be great as it completed the FD which is a sizeable part of his calling range on the flop. What should I look for when double barrell bluffing?
Enjoyed watching. A lot more aggressive than myself playing not sure if thats good or bad but you certainly know what your doing. GJ
 
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Just a few questions/thoughts.

Vid #1 ~ 7mins table 1 you had TJs and the flop comes K high giving you a gutshot+FD and you put him on a K. He bet something like 40 into 70, at this point couldn't we consider a semi bluff? Doesn't seem like a strong bet? You even had the straight flush as an out :)

Vid #2 same table same villain (I think) ~ 3:30mins you call with TQ on QT52K... probably a fold no?

Vid #2 ~6mins table 2 you had 33 and the pot is 24c by the river and he pops in a min bet with 2c, surely you call here and see A high a lot? Figures were a bit blurry though, so I might be completely out with the numbers.

Vid #2 ~9:50mins table 5. you have 66 and he 3bets you, but looking at the figures you seem to have the implied odds to setmine here? Again, figures are blurry, but it looks like it's full stacks, 33 in the pot and 14 to go.

Vid #3 ~ 2mins table 2, yes terrible :)

vid #3 ~ 3:30mins table 6. Bet turn? Scare card plus nut flush draw.

Vid #3 ~ 5mins. OK, 'stealing' dead money from the button into a 4 way pot is fine, but once you get the call from someone who checked to the PFR and the turn brings the flush and 2 overcards to your PP, surely double barrelling is not automatic in this spot? I think you said you'd double barrel it all day long but... well I wouldn't. Your betting into 3 others shows either a steal or screams strength, and yet you got a call.

Just some thoughts. Perhaps you could bring up some HHs so we can talk about these in a little more detail?

Nice vid, but why are you playing 2nl, BR issues?
 
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Just watched first part again with a notepad ready to criticise but im having a hard time, nothing seemed out the ordinary.

Ill try and be picky and say something; around 4.20 you said when someone limped that you would tighten your opening range slightly i think? Well im pretty sure when people limp we should loosen our opening range to take advantage of our positional advantage and our advantage of initiative, i know you were oop in the example but IP i think you should think like this.

I like the way you raise less when stealing against the fish ,than when you want a call, i dont do this enough and although its a small point, i will start doing this much more as it all affects the Win rate! All looks well played i guess i learnt something too
 
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Just a few questions/thoughts.

Vid #1 ~ 7mins table 1 you had TJs and the flop comes K high giving you a gutshot+FD and you put him on a K. He bet something like 40 into 70, at this point couldn't we consider a semi bluff? Doesn't seem like a strong bet? You even had the straight flush as an out :)

Vid #2 same table same villain (I think) ~ 3:30mins you call with TQ on QT52K... probably a fold no?

Vid #2 ~6mins table 2 you had 33 and the pot is 24c by the river and he pops in a min bet with 2c, surely you call here and see A high a lot? Figures were a bit blurry though, so I might be completely out with the numbers.

Vid #2 ~9:50mins table 5. you have 66 and he 3bets you, but looking at the figures you seem to have the implied odds to setmine here? Again, figures are blurry, but it looks like it's full stacks, 33 in the pot and 14 to go.

Vid #3 ~ 2mins table 2, yes terrible :)

vid #3 ~ 3:30mins table 6. Bet turn? Scare card plus nut flush draw.

Vid #3 ~ 5mins. OK, 'stealing' dead money from the button into a 4 way pot is fine, but once you get the call from someone who checked to the PFR and the turn brings the flush and 2 overcards to your PP, surely double barrelling is not automatic in this spot? I think you said you'd double barrel it all day long but... well I wouldn't. Your betting into 3 others shows either a steal or screams strength, and yet you got a call.

Just some thoughts. Perhaps you could bring up some HHs so we can talk about these in a little more detail?

Nice vid, but why are you playing 2nl, BR issues?

Thanks! I'll watch the vid again while reading your comments and look at the spots you mentioned again :)

Just watched first part again with a notepad ready to criticise but im having a hard time, nothing seemed out the ordinary.

Ill try and be picky and say something; around 4.20 you said when someone limped that you would tighten your opening range slightly i think? Well im pretty sure when people limp we should loosen our opening range to take advantage of our positional advantage and our advantage of initiative, i know you were oop in the example but IP i think you should think like this.

I like the way you raise less when stealing against the fish ,than when you want a call, i dont do this enough and although its a small point, i will start doing this much more as it all affects the Win rate! All looks well played i guess i learnt something too


Yeah with the isoing, I think I meant that say I'm OTB with two nits ITB I'd be opening up tons but with a limper (assuming he limp calls a lot) I'd tighten up a little to more playable hands. IP I do like to isolate a lot, you made a good point.

Just to be clear on the last point, I raise to 3bb on the BTN as a standard against foldy opponents, they just fold anyway and my range is weak so it makes steals cheaper, generally when they play back I can't continue anyways. Against fish that call too much I tend to drop a lot of my really weak stuff, even some decent things like 78s if they're really stationy post flop too and bump it up to 4bb's. I get to play a bigger pot (and it adds up) IP with a decent fish hand (something like K8s is great, make that TP and value town) against someone who will call me too much with worse.

I think you got it but wrote it wrong, it's a good point to expand on anyways. Thanks for watching and commenting and I'm glad you got something from it :)
 
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Starting to watch now. First thing I noticed is that somewhere in the options on FT, you can select to always buy in full, and wait for BB when you sit. It will make it a lot easier on you when you are trying to get your 6 tables going.

Thanks for this, I'll take a look.

Jesus these tables are much more agg then PS lol. 4 and 5 bets everywhere.

Anyway the AQ hand I think his range is weighted towards flush draws. Two pair combinations don't call pre Q6, Q3, 36 and sets would raise to like $1 to maybe build pot or intice a shove. Either way i'm thinking your probably ahead unless you have a solid read he's sick.

53o SB seems like a very loose steal playing OOP with a shitty hand.

QQ hand was played pretty bad. Not a bad flop to c-bet and you could even rep the ace on the turn as you now have the FD if you are called. On the river i'd re-raise a bit smaller. Try and get his 4, 5 or 6 high flushes to call and hopefully maybe even small aces (unlikely, i know :p ). Mashing pot just looks really strong IMO.
Out of interest what makes a good turn card to double barrell on? When the J hit I thought it wouldn't be great as it completed the FD which is a sizeable part of his calling range on the flop. What should I look for when double barrell bluffing?
Enjoyed watching. A lot more aggressive than myself playing not sure if thats good or bad but you certainly know what your doing. GJ

Thanks for commenting, I'm gonna watch it again later with everybody's comments in mind and go over the spots you've mentioned, I'll post my thoughts again ITT after.
 
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Just to be clear on the last point, I raise to 3bb on the BTN as a standard against foldy opponents, they just fold anyway and my range is weak so it makes steals cheaper, generally when they play back I can't continue anyways.
I think you want to raise less than 3bb vs opponents that fold a lot, since you're either getting 3bet or you're winning the pot immediately. 2.5x is what I tend to do OTB vs nits.
 
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I think you want to raise less than 3bb vs opponents that fold a lot, since you're either getting 3bet or you're winning the pot immediately. 2.5x is what I tend to do OTB vs nits.

Yeah i got what you meant LC i probs just said it wrong.

Yeah dogmeat heard you mention 2.5x against nits a couple of days ago so i was doing that in my last session and worked nicely (Y)

What i do need to start doing is opening more than my standard 4bb's when theres massive fish to my right where there is no difference in their heads between 4bb and 6bb, especially the fit and fold ones.

Need to invest in a mic and make a 10nl video sometime, would love to be at 25nl before next year of uni
 
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Yeah i got what you meant LC i probs just said it wrong.

Yeah dogmeat heard you mention 2.5x against nits a couple of days ago so i was doing that in my last session and worked nicely (Y)

What i do need to start doing is opening more than my standard 4bb's when theres massive fish to my right where there is no difference in their heads between 4bb and 6bb, especially the fit and fold ones.

Need to invest in a mic and make a 10nl video sometime, would love to be at 25nl before next year of uni

Yeah, I've been experimenting with bet sizing too lately. Mainly overbet vs fish and underbet when I know villain is folding most of the time but sometimes raising.

Example of the second might be: I raise preflop form the CO, nit calls from the BB, flop comes A72r, and I know he either hit his set or not. So if the pot is 7 BB I bet 4 or 4.5 BBs. This is where I've missed the flop completely.

Vs fish I like to pot pot overbet-shove. They aren't folding their weak top pair anyway, so try and get as much value as you can.

As you mentioned yourself, when you're trying to isolate fish, raise it up more than the pot, like 6-7 even 8 BB is not out of the question, IMO.

I've also started 3betting more IP and from the blinds, and it's working quite nice. Except for the time when I get 4bet and I have QQ, but that's a different story :D My average 3bet is now more like 6%, heavily weighted to LP.

P.S. Your standard open is 4x?
 
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Yeah my standard open is 4bb, i dont honestly have a clue what the best is.

When i first took shots at 10nl it was 3bb for ages, and the last month or so its been 4. Just realised you can make a button for any size you want on PS so maybe i should try 3.5? what's wrong with 4? theres so much different opinions, but i just felt like 3 was a bit weak and fish are still gonna call my 4bb same as a 3bb raise.... and as im now doing against anyone who doesnt think i can alter my bet size to 2.5 if im stealing or 6 if i want a call off a mega fish...

When you speak of nit calling in BB and flop is A72r, against most nits and people who can fold to cbets i try to make it half pot sized (if i miss flop) as it achieves the same thing most of the time when theres an A on the flop. Probably the only time i like to bet half the pot though...
 
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Yeah my standard open is 4bb, i dont honestly have a clue what the best is.

When i first took shots at 10nl it was 3bb for ages, and the last month or so its been 4. Just realised you can make a button for any size you want on PS so maybe i should try 3.5? what's wrong with 4? theres so much different opinions, but i just felt like 3 was a bit weak and fish are still gonna call my 4bb same as a 3bb raise.... and as im now doing against anyone who doesnt think i can alter my bet size to 2.5 if im stealing or 6 if i want a call off a mega fish...
idk, 4x seems a little much to me. If there's a massive fish on the table, yeah, go for it. But otherwise, 3x is standard, imo.

Personally my preflop buttons are 2.5x/pot/MAX

No point in having 3.5x button, imo, since pot is always 3.5x plus one BB for every limper.

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When you speak of nit calling in BB and flop is A72r, against most nits and people who can fold to cbets i try to make it half pot sized (if i miss flop) as it achieves the same thing most of the time when theres an A on the flop. Probably the only time i like to bet half the pot though...

Yup, that was my point.
 
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I open 4bb as a standard in all positions except the BTN, where I open 3. 4 OTB if there's a fish in the blinds. I think at micros people call too much so 4bb's exploits that.
 
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Video 2 - 4.25 - I think we should be folding 2nd pair here, i mean we only have to be good 25% of the time to make money, but i dont think we ever are... with the way villain played the hand ch/ca flop, ch/ca turn, then suddenly bet out aggressively from being previously passive just screams that he wants a call really and against most people this is just what they want, is he really going to do a play like that with 3rd pair? So think you could of saved a big there. Also make a note that villain will ch/call overs and bet out when hits his top pair.

Video 3 - 1.44 - Dont think villains ever bluffing there, same passive play all the way throughout and then his smaller river bet is screaming he wants a cheap showdown with a marginal hand, i'd think he has something like 66-JJ and stuff like Ace average kickers and some bad kickers, AQ in the example will of been at the top of his range here. So i think we either have to fold as we are never ever good here or over bet bluff which is villain dependant and i dont know if i'd wanna do that on an Ace board when some people dont lay down top pair Q kicker hands... although i wouldnt be surprised either if you over bet the pot there that he'd always fold... who knows just dont call :)
Here you can make another note saying villain ch calls top pair good kicker down when boards drawy possibly and small river bet means marginal holding.


Video 3 - 3.40 i like the way you played QQ, no point betting out really when we're wa/wb turn wasnt nice for you so yeah played fine and got a nice river card.

6.20 - i always spew money in these situations i think, no point calling flop ch/raise if you're just gonna fold on the turn as no card in the deck is really gonna help us realistically, so maybe should of folded there too.

Thats them all watched again now mate, enjoyed the video - good luck!
 
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have literally just watched the first minute, you say you dont select the tables with people without full stacks on your right?
These people are usually fish and will be softer than full stacks to have position on which I dont kinda get??
 
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have literally just watched the first minute, you say you dont select the tables with people without full stacks on your right?
These people are usually fish and will be softer than full stacks to have position on which I dont kinda get??

At 2/5/10nl everyone is a fish and you want to play with full stacks to your right so you can win more money. I always thought that, even against decent players, you're always +EV if they're to your right so you want them to have a full stack. I could be wrong tho.
 
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