6 max win rates from the blinds and EP?

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I'm playing 4nl on carbon, and atm my winrates are as follows:

SB: 24 bb/100
BB: -39.86 bb/100
EP: -10.00 bb/100

10,628 hands in total, too small sample size to matter? Was really hard finding info on what winrates are supposed to be from these spots, was shocked that SB was so high that BB was so low, and that I was losing from EP(UTG) I'm only playing like 12% of hands UTG, but my won money @ showdown percent is significantly lower than for all other positions. Only 970 hands from EP, so hopefully someone who knows more on the #'s can help me. SB winrate has gotta be a fluke right.

Someone with like a 100k database on 6max stats please post some #'s to compare.
 
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10k hands at 6nl ... I know its a small sample but
BTN 92.41
CO 42.95
MP 22.38
EP -49.18
BB -20.80
SB -63.21

That's $52 profit.

But really you shouldn't be overly worried about winrate though you should ask yourself why is your losses down in the blind? Calling too much which was my recent problem or play OOP with marginal hands or even suited connectors. Just need to stop chasing so much in those positions and perhaps your SB your playing what you should be in the BB as well really tight with premiums.


My leak is I lose and bleed from the blinds but i'm generally in the green with EP and it greatly increases as I get to later positions. I am cleaning that out my game and perhaps you need to focus on that as well especially from the BB. Just ignore the 4c in the pot and treat it as EP. Also remember especially regs you should actually learn to respect SB raises when HU just take notes on who bluffs from the blinds and who plays a tough game.
 
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Id suggest maybe bejng more positionaly aware when you play your hand position is a big factor to your hand probably the second most important thing other than hand strength obviously

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~50k hands, NL10 SH 6max
My bb/100 : 3
BU: 38
CO: 11
MP3: 15
MP2: 12
BB: -36
SB: -18
 
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pretty sure -40bb/100 from bb is considered standard, and -20bb/100 from sb is considered standard. my rates are

SB -7bb/100
BB -26bb/100
EP - 2bb/100
MP 30bb/100
CO 12bb/100
BTN 52bb/100

80k sample
 
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Dont quote me on this being the best advice but i think you will reduce the amount of BB/100 lost in the big blind if you defend by calling less, have a tighter range of hands to play from the blinds and generally 3 bet them pre flop larger than a 3 bet you would make in position. When there is a raise and a couple of calls dont always think well i am priced in, remember that a hand such as 84s in that spot will generally mean you will then have to chase to what can easily be a dominated spot! Also look at being aggressive form the big blind when facing just a small blind raiser. Obviously this is player dependent image dependent and so on but worth thinking about! Sorry is this was useless but just my 2 cents.
 
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pretty sure -40bb/100 from bb is considered standard, and -20bb/100 from sb is considered standard. my rates are

SB -7bb/100
BB -26bb/100
EP - 2bb/100
MP 30bb/100
CO 12bb/100
BTN 52bb/100

80k sample

JC do you think your EP win rate is just variance against you, mines currently losing as well so we would just be better off folding every hand, or at least everything but like AA-QQ and AK. Or does that make us too exploitable and start affecting our winrates from the other positions?
 
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JC do you think your EP win rate is just variance against you, mines currently losing as well so we would just be better off folding every hand, or at least everything but like AA-QQ and AK. Or does that make us too exploitable and start affecting our winrates from the other positions?

according to my EVbb/100, yeah, mines just variance- but only barely. looking at my multitable report, my EP opening range has a positive correlation to the amount of tables im playing- ie im a fish and forget to check what position im opening from to an unreasonable extent once im playing more than 17 tables (1-2 tables i just dgaf cos i get bored so its like 30%, 3-16 tables its <20%, 17-19 its 25-30%)

i dont like folding everything bar the nuts pre from EP for the reasons you suggest, but tbh it prob wouldnt matter cos most people wouldnt even notice. but yeah for sure cut down your open range. something like;

99+
AJs+
AQo+
KQs

using my mad poker skillz, im pretty sure thats like not even 7%, so id chuck in 67s-89s if you feel youre a balla postflop. maybe 22-44 for lulz. in any case, with this opening range at 10NL (assuming std, semi competent tag villain, youd wanna be folding everything to 3bs (excluding TT/JJ) that you arent 4balling with
 
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I'm playing 4nl on carbon, and atm my winrates are as follows:

SB: 24 bb/100
BB: -39.86 bb/100
EP: -10.00 bb/100

10,628 hands in total, too small sample size to matter? Was really hard finding info on what winrates are supposed to be from these spots, was shocked that SB was so high that BB was so low, and that I was losing from EP(UTG) I'm only playing like 12% of hands UTG, but my won money @ showdown percent is significantly lower than for all other positions. Only 970 hands from EP, so hopefully someone who knows more on the #'s can help me. SB winrate has gotta be a fluke right.

Someone with like a 100k database on 6max stats please post some #'s to compare.

Yes, size does matter. ;)

Seriously though, I wouldn't even bother with looking at a 10k sample. You can start looking once you hit 50k, but 100k at least is better. Here's some position stats from my honeymoon challenge (all 6-max), as this will be closer to your stakes.

 
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Yes, size does matter. ;)



john, you obviously are more than competent, so im curious as to why your SB and BB vpip are so high, considering that you (compared to myself and other LAGtards) barely 3b or squeeze light out of the blinds? what hands are you flatting LP openers with? im assumign the justification is to keep their rags in while your range dominates them?

EDIT: added in mine for the sake of comparison
 

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john, you obviously are more than competent, so im curious as to why your SB and BB vpip are so high, considering that you (compared to myself and other LAGtards) barely 3b or squeeze light out of the blinds? what hands are you flatting LP openers with? im assumign the justification is to keep their rags in while your range dominates them?

EDIT: added in mine for the sake of comparison

bumping in hopes we get an answer, interesting point JC
 
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