5NL - almost every paired board seems to get donked on

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OK, so how do I counter this?

Most of the time I have nothing so I can only bluffcatch total air (small pocket pairs >> AK/AQ that missed), yet I find it hard to believe that every time they have something.

Every time I reraised they folded so I suspect there are quite a few bluffs going around.

Bet sizing is usually around pot size but it varies randomly. There are several players who are doing this and it seems expensive to basically stack off on air yet folding so much also pisses me off :mad: not enough to tilt but I know when I am getting owned.
 
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OK, so how do I counter this?

Most of the time I have nothing so I can only bluffcatch total air (small pocket pairs >> AK/AQ that missed), yet I find it hard to believe that every time they have something.

Every time I reraised they folded so I suspect there are quite a few bluffs going around.

Bet sizing is usually around pot size but it varies randomly. There are several players who are doing this and it seems expensive to basically stack off on air yet folding so much also pisses me off :mad: not enough to tilt but I know when I am getting owned.


Same issue here, wtf are they generally doing?? Lol
Would also like to hear some replies
 
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OK, so how do I counter this?

I am getting owned.

Play back, it may cost you in the short run but in the long run they will know you are prepared to call these bets then they will do it less often.

Then they will level you and only do it when they have the hand, then you need to level them by only calling with the nuts for a while. After this has gone on for a while re level them by turning the tables and stacking on their paired boards until they level your relevel by check raising their strong hands into you, but you are prepared to rerelevel their relevel.

But yeah...play back. You don't need a pair if you have a pair
 
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Play back, it may cost you in the short run but in the long run they will know you are prepared to call these bets then they will do it less often.

I agree with this, but one thing that i have learned is that bet the pot size sometimes is too much, can let you be so committed with the pot. I only do this if i had a monster, AQ is a hand that i did not believe so much. semi bluff is ok, but never forget about your position at the table and about the AF or VPIP of your opponents.
 
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I really haven't seen this much at 5nl myself but it seems like it's going to be a bluff a lot of the time, check/raise or check/call are more likely lines for flopped trips or a boat. Looking at their stats should give you some idea of how aggressive and bluffy they are.

If it's not a 3bet pot you should be able to profitably reraise and fold if they shove. Calling will often be fine as well, if you have some equity or you think they wont continue bluffing on the turn.
 
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float them, it's hard for villains to continue with air OOP.
 
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When I did most often they fire a 2nd barrel and then I kind of have to fold my air.

I bluffraised yesterday once and it worked (yey!) so for now I am gonna start doing that occasionally just to see how it goes. The whole leveling war thingy is something I did not expect to have to do in 5NL though :D
 
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A lot of it depends on the board. Some are great for raising as a bluff, some are great for floating.

I would be bluff raising on 2c2hTh.
 
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When I did most often they fire a 2nd barrel and then I kind of have to fold my air.

I bluffraised yesterday once and it worked (yey!) so for now I am gonna start doing that occasionally just to see how it goes. The whole leveling war thingy is something I did not expect to have to do in 5NL though :D

They usually fire weak bets though when turn over cards come, just raise them and you can see a ton of folds.
 
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Because a donking range on a board like that is going to be heavily weighted towards draws or weak one pair hands. It is so easy to play a spot like that IP. Of course it depends on the opponent, if he is the biggest calling station I've ever seen then I won't be bluffing at all.
 
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