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ComplexPlaya
Legend
Silver Level
Hey guys, I was playing some 50NL today, haven't played that in a month or so, and it got me thinking about 5-bet/shove strategies.
It seems to me most people, nits and 18/15 or 20/17 tags would only get it all in pre with KK,AA or AK (and for the sake of this point, that can be extended to 4-betting as well, not that many 4-betting light). No QQ or anything else.
So I'm trying to find out when to get all in with them, based on equity. It depends on who does the 4-bet, of course.
So, let's create 2 scenarios where I'm holding QQ, assuming 100BB stacks.
1) Villain opens for €2, I 3-bet for €6, villain 4-bets to €15. If I shove here I'm betting €44 to win an €100 pot (assuming villain always calls, of course that doesn't happen but I think most times they do) so pot odds for me are 2.27:1 while QQ odds against his range is 2.5:1 , therefor I should fold.
2) I open for €2, villain 3-bets for €6, I 4-bet to €15, villain shoves. Now I have to call €35 to win €100, so 2.85:1 pot odds with my 2.5:1 hand, so I should call.
Also, in the second scenario, about the same odds against villain's KK+, AK range exist for smaller pocket pairs, even 22 would be profitable there. Does that mean we should call with them, should the situation arrise? (not that I ever 4-bet smal PP's, just for the sake of discussion)
Am I correct or totally off here? Is my math right?
I apologize if this has been covered before, I'm just trying to understand the math here in order to make +EV plays, for 50NL.
It seems to me most people, nits and 18/15 or 20/17 tags would only get it all in pre with KK,AA or AK (and for the sake of this point, that can be extended to 4-betting as well, not that many 4-betting light). No QQ or anything else.
So I'm trying to find out when to get all in with them, based on equity. It depends on who does the 4-bet, of course.
So, let's create 2 scenarios where I'm holding QQ, assuming 100BB stacks.
1) Villain opens for €2, I 3-bet for €6, villain 4-bets to €15. If I shove here I'm betting €44 to win an €100 pot (assuming villain always calls, of course that doesn't happen but I think most times they do) so pot odds for me are 2.27:1 while QQ odds against his range is 2.5:1 , therefor I should fold.
2) I open for €2, villain 3-bets for €6, I 4-bet to €15, villain shoves. Now I have to call €35 to win €100, so 2.85:1 pot odds with my 2.5:1 hand, so I should call.
Also, in the second scenario, about the same odds against villain's KK+, AK range exist for smaller pocket pairs, even 22 would be profitable there. Does that mean we should call with them, should the situation arrise? (not that I ever 4-bet smal PP's, just for the sake of discussion)
Am I correct or totally off here? Is my math right?
I apologize if this has been covered before, I'm just trying to understand the math here in order to make +EV plays, for 50NL.