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Deceitful_Frank
Rock Star
Silver Level
Ok over the last few days I have learned what a pre-flop 3bet is... basically just a re-raise. I didnt realize that the blinds counted as the first bet!
This led to some relief as I thought I was never actually 3betting pre-flop and was going to investigate some kind or strategy to put this right.
Fortunately I have long since been re-raising pre-flop and will do so in the average situation with around 12 hands ranging from KTs up the ranks to AKs and with pocket Tens up to pocket Queens depending on where I am from mid to late position.
I would imagine that the average apponant would generally tend to 3bet with the following holdings:
AKo
TT
KJs
AJs
KQs
AQs
JJ
AKs
QQ
Obviously KK and AA are possibilities and I think that most people would look to get at least half, if not all their stack in before the flop.
Now this, after a recent badly played hand with Queens led me to ponder the value of a 4bet shove, combining a re-re-raise preflop with a good slab of fold equity, simultaneously building a healthy table image of "don't $%*& with me!"
I plugged the above range of 9 hands with KK and AA into pokerstove and put then up against QQ, AKs and JJ, results as follows:
QQ 55.7% to win
AKs 50.8% to win
JJ 46.5% to win
Well the first two hands look promissing and I thought at first that JJ was a no-go but then I figured that if I raise 4bb and villain 3bets me with a 14bb bet there could be near to 20bb already invested in the pot so I wouldn't need a 50% chance to win to make the 4bet shove with JJ profitable. Then when you factor in fold equity and the fact that players at 2NL/4NL could even be 3betting with far inferior hands like AQo, KQo or AJo...
What do you guys think? Does my theory make sense?
If not, what range of hands do you think the average player with an average stack in an average situation would re-raise/3bet with?
Looking forward to your thoughts and critisisms!
Frank.
EDIT:
Okay someone just 3betted me with A9s....whats that like a top 20 hand?! I had AKs and shoved, he called! He was a 71.2% dog. He lost.
This led to some relief as I thought I was never actually 3betting pre-flop and was going to investigate some kind or strategy to put this right.
Fortunately I have long since been re-raising pre-flop and will do so in the average situation with around 12 hands ranging from KTs up the ranks to AKs and with pocket Tens up to pocket Queens depending on where I am from mid to late position.
I would imagine that the average apponant would generally tend to 3bet with the following holdings:
AKo
TT
KJs
AJs
KQs
AQs
JJ
AKs
Obviously KK and AA are possibilities and I think that most people would look to get at least half, if not all their stack in before the flop.
Now this, after a recent badly played hand with Queens led me to ponder the value of a 4bet shove, combining a re-re-raise preflop with a good slab of fold equity, simultaneously building a healthy table image of "don't $%*& with me!"
I plugged the above range of 9 hands with KK and AA into pokerstove and put then up against QQ, AKs and JJ, results as follows:
QQ 55.7% to win
AKs 50.8% to win
JJ 46.5% to win
Well the first two hands look promissing and I thought at first that JJ was a no-go but then I figured that if I raise 4bb and villain 3bets me with a 14bb bet there could be near to 20bb already invested in the pot so I wouldn't need a 50% chance to win to make the 4bet shove with JJ profitable. Then when you factor in fold equity and the fact that players at 2NL/4NL could even be 3betting with far inferior hands like AQo, KQo or AJo...
What do you guys think? Does my theory make sense?
If not, what range of hands do you think the average player with an average stack in an average situation would re-raise/3bet with?
Looking forward to your thoughts and critisisms!
Frank.
EDIT:
Okay someone just 3betted me with A9s....whats that like a top 20 hand?! I had AKs and shoved, he called! He was a 71.2% dog. He lost.
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