4 bet bluffing vs aggro 3bettors

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Playing 16nl yesterday...

I 3X open-raised AQo from the BTN, got 3bet by the BB (3bet% of 11 over a few hundred hands).

I 4bet him ~2.5X his 3bet size and he folded.

I would consider that a 4bet bluff because AQo isn't quite strong enough to flat his 3bet (maybe AQs is?), and I would have folded to a 5bet shove.

So my question is - which hands are good for 4bet bluffing BB/SB villains with 10%3bet stats when you are CO/BTN? Obv you want to have some chance of hitting the flop so, um, SCs? medium PP's? Is AQo any good?

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A couple of things, and I am really not going to address your question, because i don't think your question is pertinent to the issue.

First and foremost, move tables. I know the advice is unhelpful for developing your game, but seriously, 4b bluffing at 16NL is just bad.

Secondly, no reg who is 3betting light is ever going to flat a 4b. So having a hand that connects with the flop is somewhat irrelevant. If you really feel the need, Ax is probably your best bet as it holds the best equity against his 5b range. Junk is just as good.

When considering flatting the 3b, consider that most micro regs play either fit/n/fold or spewy in 3b pots. Either way they are predicable. Identify your villain and exploit them postflop either by bluffing lots on the flop or making hands and letting them bet respectively.

Also, your 4b size seems weird. Should be really small in position, because you will either see a shove or fold.
 
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Just fold like 98% of the time even if you think they're 3betting you lots.

I make all my 4bets a bit smaller than 2.5x just personal preference i think but it does mean my bluffs have to work less and still achieve the same thing when i have monsters, and it might induce spazz but who knows.
 
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If he's 3b light then why would you turn Aq into a bluff. Surely his range will include the like of QT,QJ,KQ all of which you fold out if you 4b, plus you have position.
 
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First and foremost, move tables. I know the advice is unhelpful for developing your game, but seriously, 4b bluffing at 16NL is just bad.

4bet bluffing is very profitable. 3betting light is easy, shoving without a premium takes balls most micro players don't have.
 
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First and foremost, move tables. I know the advice is unhelpful for developing your game, but seriously, 4b bluffing at 16NL is just bad.

So I have to run away from aggro 3bettors? That doesn't seem right! Also don't really see why occasional 4bet bluffing won't work at 16nl...hardly anyone does it from what I have seen, unless they have QQ+, so I am likely to be able to make them fold most of their 3betting range.

When considering flatting the 3b, consider that most micro regs play either fit/n/fold or spewy in 3b pots. Either way they are predicable. Identify your villain and exploit them postflop either by bluffing lots on the flop or making hands and letting them bet respectively.

That's true, I've stolen quite a few 3bet pots IP when they don't cbet.
 
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If he's 3b light then why would you turn Aq into a bluff. Surely his range will include the like of QT,QJ,KQ all of which you fold out if you 4b, plus you have position.

Yeah, wasn't sure about AQo for bluffing, it seemed a little weak to flat with but idk
 
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Why can't we call the 3bet? If he's actually 3betting super wide then he will most likely have hands like A5s Q9s which is pretty awesome when we have AQ in position
 
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Against 3-bet monkeys, it really depends on what kind of hands he's 3-betting with:

If he's 3-betting a polarized range, flat.

If he's 3-betting a merged range, 4-bet.
 
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