3betting light from blinds 10NL

Now I do this on a rare occasion with mixed results but many players at 10NL 3bet like crazy from the blinds vs steal attempts. They might be 7/6 out of the blinds but from the sb/bb 3bet alot.

So what is the best way to counter this? My steal% is only 23% atm and want to increase it. Whats the best action?

1.Choose another table with players you can frequently steal from.

2.Continue the steal attempts and -

4bet them

Call the 3bet in position

I feel this could get spewy so im wondering if it is worth getting involved in alot of these situations.

yeah im getting lots of the regulars doing this back at me from the blinds at 5NL also, looking forward to hearing off one of the better players on this forum on their opinion.

1.Choose another table with players you can frequently steal from.

The best thing about 10NL is that there is no shortage of weak/bad players.

If they are doing it often wait for a decent hand and 4-bet shove

or even min 4-bet with a monster to induce a 5-bet shove against deeper stacked villains

ben_rhyno said:

If they are doing it often wait for a decent hand and 4-bet shove

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Yeah so basically dont steal until u wake up with a hand and playback for value.

Im not sure 4bet bluffing is an option..its risky as its rare u will have enough 4bet/fold to 4bet stats on a player for a solid read. You might just end up dumping 30bbs instead of 3bbs for the original steal attempt.

Double-A said:

1.Choose another table with players you can frequently steal from.

The best thing about 10NL is that there is no shortage of weak/bad players.

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This. Unless there is a really bad player to your right there is no need to stay at the table with decent players to your left. If you must stay at the table, tighten your stealing range.

Second time I've found myself agreeing with WV today.

No reason to stay at a table with aggressive players in the blinds you want to steal, when there are tonnes of NL10 tables to be had. Table select a little better and watch your redline (and of course greenline) climb.

However, if you want to take it to the aggressive 3 bettors, you can occasionally 4bet light after a late position steal raise, with hands that are unlikely to be dominated, small pairs, or random Ax hands. This means pot odds will occasionally force you to stack off light with an aipf, but should be profitable in the long run.

And before I'm crucified for suggesting an "advanced" play that should be saved for "higher stakes" I'd like to throw in that I've been fooling around at NL10/20 for the past week or so, grinding up a bankroll on an Everleaf skin with no traffic and no HUD ($35 to $260 in 14 days with 75BB buy-ins and about 30 mins of play/evening).

Light 4bets do work at the micros, because most players would only expect a 4bet from AA/KK and you'll elicit a lot more folds than calls or shoves.

But what about trying to beat these aggressive 10nl regs? What if our goal is to get better at poker and beat 10nl. Shouldn't we be able to beat a 10nl aggressive reg? If we continually avoid playing the better players won't our game be weaker? True, our winrate won't be as high, but do you think our improved skills would counteract that?

Madmansam said:

But what about trying to beat these aggressive 10nl regs? What if our goal is to get better at poker and beat 10nl. Shouldn't we be able to beat a 10nl aggressive reg? If we continually avoid playing the better players won't our game be weaker? True, our winrate won't be as high, but do you think our improved skills would counteract that?

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Do we have to go on a "quest for excellence"? Can't we be happy just finding weak players and taking their money?

I'm not sure if your making fun of me or not. And yes the number one goal and point of poker is making money. However, I'm sure lots of players love the game and want to be the best player they can be too, instead of only being able to beat weak opponents

Madmansam said:

But what about trying to beat these aggressive 10nl regs? What if our goal is to get better at poker and beat 10nl. Shouldn't we be able to beat a 10nl aggressive reg? If we continually avoid playing the better players won't our game be weaker? True, our winrate won't be as high, but do you think our improved skills would counteract that?

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Poker should not be about your ego or beating a certain player, poker should be about the bottom line. Table/seat selection is a WAY more important skill that learning the 3bet/4bet game (which will change as you move up anyway).

In order of which measures I'd do first:

1) Move.
2) Raise a tighter range.
3) Call 3-bets with your monsters to extract from their bluffs.
4) 4-bet a few more hands for value.
5) 4-bet bluff.

Madmansam said:

I'm not sure if your making fun of me or not. And yes the number one goal and point of poker is making money. However, I'm sure lots of players love the game and want to be the best player they can be too, instead of only being able to beat weak opponents

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I was making fun of you ; )

Focusing on getting skillz rather than getting paid is just a real life version of FPS.

c9h13no3 said:

In order of which measures I'd do first:

1) Move.
2) Raise a tighter range.
3) Call 3-bets with your monsters to extract from their bluffs.
4) 4-bet a few more hands for value.
5) 4-bet bluff.

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^^^ Sums it up.

I might also add: 3a) If you're confident post-flop and their range is wide (ie. you know their 3-bet percentage is high), they don't even need to be monsters. They may spazz/panic though, if they're not used to having people call.

Agree with C9 and 9L.

As I said, moving and finding better tables is the best bet.

Not sure what the giant cross directed at me was for, but hey, to each his own. Once you're confident in your post flop game (ie - I usually play NL200 and NL400, but I've been playing around in NL10, NL20 and NL50, building up a $35 starting stake with aggressive LAGgy play on a no traffic site), you can try points 3-5 because you'll be confident you can out think and outplay your opponents.

If you're playing NL10, because your bankroll has now got you to NL10, you're still in a learning stage. Add these weapons to your game slowly (floating 3bets IP, OOP, 4betting PF for value, 4Betting light, etc), because without being an experience hand reader, you'll find yourself in a lot more difficult situations - generally in big pots with small hands.

JMcCabe said:

Second time I've found myself agreeing with WV today....

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Well, thats GOT to be a leak... . Seriously, WVH usually gives really good advice. Now if I could just get some short-stacking tips from him life would be good. (Joke, obv).

JMcCabe said:

If you're playing NL10, because your bankroll has now got you to NL10, you're still in a learning stage. Add these weapons to your game slowly (floating 3bets IP, OOP, 4betting PF for value, 4Betting light, etc), because without being an experience hand reader, you'll find yourself in a lot more difficult situations - generally in big pots with small hands.

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Very good point.

Just realized the cross meant I was being crucified. I'm a little slow this morning obv...

And yes, WVH generally gives great advice, though we often disagreeing, seeing as he's a full-stacking TAG and I'm a mid-stacking LAG.

JMcCabe said:

Just realized the cross meant I was being crucified. I'm a little slow this morning obv...

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Just a joke JM...

aimed at your "before I'm crucified for suggesting an "advanced" play" comment.

Obviously, I'm not as funny as I think I am.

Yeah...I got it.

It was funny once I figured it out. I just hadn't had my coffee yet.