3betting EP raises with AK

When is it a bad idea to 3bet an EP raise with AK? Are there spots we should just flat and take a flop? Is 3betting EP raises 100% of the time with AK a leak?

themosthigh said:

When is it a bad idea to 3bet an EP raise with AK? Are there spots we should just flat and take a flop? Is 3betting EP raises 100% of the time with AK a leak?

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Do you play nl100 on stars btw?

Also yeah 3betting it 100% is a leak

villain and spot dependent.

acky100 said:

Do you play nl100 on stars btw?

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I wish. I'm afraid I'm not that good and I live in the land of the free.

OMGITSOVER9K said:

villain and spot dependent.

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Thanks how bout some examples instead of it depends

themosthigh said:

I wish. I'm afraid I'm not that good and I live in the land of the free.

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Yorkshire?

I'm almost always flatting it against EP opens, but then again I am a nit.

..you didnt say whether it was FR or 6max.

you give examples? might be more helpful than pointing out whats lacking in MY post.

youregoodmate said:

Yorkshire?

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closer to New Hampshire

OMGITSOVER9K said:

..you didnt say whether it was FR or 6max.

you give examples? might be more helpful than pointing out whats lacking in MY post.

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Sorry, full ring. So I'll just throw out some hud stats I guess and see what happens.

One of these guys opens UTG what's your play for each?

8/6
12/10
15/12
18/15
20/15
30/10
30/2
45/24



Better?

themosthigh said:

closer to New Hampshire



Sorry, full ring. So I'll just throw out some hud stats I guess and see what happens.

8/6
12/10
15/12
18/15
20/15
30/10
30/2
45/24


Better?

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No. Post hands. Stack sizes matter. How positionally aware they are matters.

its slightly better, just not good enough lol.

post hands where you have AK vs an open with stats..

..and stop playing FR, its the devil's game.

lol I though PLO was the devils game

I'll be back with hand examples tomorrow.

themosthigh said:

closer to New Hampshire



Sorry, full ring. So I'll just throw out some hud stats I guess and see what happens.

One of these guys opens UTG what's your play for each?

8/6
12/10
15/12
18/15
20/15
30/10
30/2
45/24



Better?

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I flat against all of them other than the 45/24, although against the 30/2 might even just fold if his EP raise is like 1% over a huge sample.

OMGITSOVER9K said:

its slightly better, just not good enough lol.

post hands where you have AK vs an open with stats..

..and stop playing FR, its the devil's game.

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I don't know how any of you can stand 6-max. That is the devil's game.

I once had posted a similar question on here some time ago....Long story short, the reply that honestly stuck with me, is "Don't 3bet without the intention of getting it in"....

At first I was like really, so assuming I 3bet in a 6max game vs a nit, and they 4 bet, I should 5 bet jam? It didn't make much sense to me, until it actually hit me what person that posted was implying, It's easy to 3bet vs anyone (hell everyone can do it), yet the intention of 3betting should only be to GII vs certain players, and another thing about 3betting is that it should be done vs villains that have a decent fold to 3bet% and/or villains that love to 4bet light, thus we 5 bet Jam...

I hope this helps

I seldom raise 3betting EP raises with AK.If the flop didn't have A or K,playing a big poll is painful.

I once had posted a similar question on here some time ago....Long story short, the reply that honestly stuck with me, is "Don't 3bet without the intention of getting it in"....

At first I was like really, so assuming I 3bet in a 6max game vs a nit, and they 4 bet, I should 5 bet jam? It didn't make much sense to me, until it actually hit me what person that posted was implying, It's easy to 3bet vs anyone (hell everyone can do it), yet the intention of 3betting should only be to GII vs certain players, and another thing about 3betting is that it should be done vs villains that have a decent fold to 3bet% and/or villains that love to 4bet light, thus we 5 bet Jam...

I hope this helps

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no

baudib1 said:

no

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ok can you let me know exactly which/or what or why that's a no, if you don't mind..

Hey btw, this is how I took the post that was intended on a thread I had started, but since that's wrong I'd like to know why

I'll give you 2 examples, vastly different villains, as examples of why you aren't 3-betting to GII:

1. Villain is running 38/27 with f3b% of 35%, but only 4-bets QQ+/AK.
2. Villain is running 20/16, is positionally aware, f3b% 75%, opens from CO and you're OTB.

In a lot of cases, raising in early position is a strong hand. Very possible you will get 4 bet or miss the flop. Then you just invested extra money with just A high.

naruto_miu said:

ok can you let me know exactly which/or what or why that's a no, if you don't mind..

Hey btw, this is how I took the post that was intended on a thread I had started, but since that's wrong I'd like to know why

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If you're restealing or playing light for whatever reason, you don't need to get it in just because you 3 bet? 3 betting with the intention of getting it in just doesn't make sense as general advice. Against some terrible reg for instance who will flat 3 bets oop most of the time he opens so that he can go all fit or fold on you but will only 4 bet or jam AA/KK, that would certainly be a player you can repop for value without having to stack off with AK. The key to 3 betting is to know why you're doing it so that you have a plan depending on how your opponent responds. Even better is when you already have a good idea how your opponent is likely to respond, and you want an idea of his ranges etc.

DunningKruger said:

If you're restealing or playing light for whatever reason, you don't need to get it in just because you 3 bet? 3 betting with the intention of getting it in just doesn't make sense as general advice. Against some terrible reg for instance who will flat 3 bets oop most of the time he opens so that he can go all fit or fold on you but will only 4 bet or jam AA/KK, that would certainly be a player you can repop for value without having to stack off with AK. The key to 3 betting is to know why you're doing it so that you have a plan depending on how your opponent responds. Even better is when you already have a good idea how your opponent is likely to respond, and you want an idea of his ranges etc.

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In my post, I meant to say "3bet GII" vs certain players, not "3bet vs everybody, and GII"...I don't know if it came across wrong, but it must've come across wrong somehow..


The type of player I'm talking about is one that opens alot preflop so anything like 30%+B, likes to 4bet a-ton , never flatting OOP, these are the types I'm talking about GII against preflop..More or less the types that play the ATC works for me

I'm not talking about one that plays 20/19, and only 4bets 3%, that wouldn't make sense to want to GII against..

Another thing, I'd like to point out, is if villains has a high fold to 3bet% or a high flat 3bet% and high fold to Cbet% than yes, shouldn't I want to 3bet this type also?